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Windows 7: First, China. Next: the Great Firewall of... Australia?

22 Jun 2010   #21

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Just because it wouldn't be illegal doesn't mean it's right.
Not a point I was making but Ok and I agree mate, I think that's the basis of the debate really.


Unfortunately you're probably right, guarantee's are for election campaigns and as all Australians know, our governments often go back on election promises.


That's a question I often ask too? I think the answer is none, except for referendum's

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Is there a mechanism by which the people can amend their constitution to override "lesser" laws?
To put it very loosely - first we must get Bill submitted to parliament (this is the hardest part and can either be a Draft Bill, a Government Public Bil or a Private Member Public Bill). This goes through all the usual process that must end in assent (i.e. passed by both houses). Within 6 months the Bill must be put to a referendum where we all get to vote on it. If the vote succeeds in a double-majority i.e. majority of votes in a majority of states (except NT and I can't remember why, somehow they are included in the national total) and a National YES vote majority then it can be ratified and with 28 days must be commenced.

So In short we must get the government to agree to not be dodgy first and then make that law..... this will never happen.... so I guess we're stuffed.

-Timo
Ouch ... in the States we have a process that can be used to amend our constitution without any support/agreement from the Federal government at all. Yeah, if everything has to go through the parliament, that's going to be difficult to deal with. Unless you could just get a simple free speech provision passed, and then any Internet censorship laws could be challenged in court (if you have such a system).

We have the Bill of Rights over here, as you're aware, but all it's doing is slowing these laws down a little. If we can get the censorship advocates out of public office over here (the ones that are apologizing to China), then we'll have a chance, and maybe we'll even be able to influence other nations away from these dangerous filter systems.

It's worth hoping for at least...

P.S. This whole topic has me wondering exactly HOW the "no political discussion" rule is applied. It's obviously a fine line (which I hope I'm not crossing).
The line is probably drawn at political debates such as Democrats vs. Republicans. This topic hasn't had heavy debate at all yet, so I think we all should be fine.

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23 Jun 2010   #22

 
 

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An old fella I worked with once said to me (during the glorious Th*tch*r years, spit!):-
"They're lucky in Communist / Eastern Bloc countries. They live in a police state and they're aware of it".
So very true



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P.S. This whole topic has me wondering exactly HOW the "no political discussion" rule is applied. It's obviously a fine line
It is indeed a fine line.

You'll know when it's been crossed when the the thread is closed
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23 Jun 2010   #23

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[QUOTE=smarteyeball;800486]
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*sigh* It's amazing what a frontal lobotomy can do for a persons outlook


I'd rather have a bottle in front of me..........
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23 Jun 2010   #24

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*sigh* It's amazing what a frontal lobotomy can do for a persons outlook


I'd rather have a bottle in front of me..........
I didn't say that
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24 Jun 2010   #25

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A change of Prime Minister for Australia this morning (but the same party), time to see if our new Welsh PM Julia Gillard will avoid this issue as badly as the Queenslander Kevin Rudd did.
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24 Jun 2010   #26

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However if it only blocks kids access to things that are strictly AO, as well as racism, child pornography, death sites and all the nasties that you wouldn't want your kids or neighbors involved in AND as long as the government is totally transparent about the blocked sites.
How can they be transparent? If something is blocked, they can't show you it for transparency, that would be breaking their own rules. Then they can claim anything is "bad" and nobody would be able to tell since it was off limits to the public. They could use this to suppress free speech or anything they want in the name of protecting the public, exactly like China does. And how would the computer know if you're a kid or not? Would you have to sign in to tell you're an adult? Or would there be additional software needed to be installed?
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24 Jun 2010   #27

 
 

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A change of Prime Minister for Australia this morning (but the same party), time to see if our new Welsh PM Julia Gillard will avoid this issue as badly as the Queenslander Kevin Rudd did.
Same party, same song, different DJ.

The beats not going to change
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25 Jun 2010   #28

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The future of the great Australian firewall is beginning to look decidedly shaky, as electoral calculations and widespread condemnation from politicians and industry alike begin to take their toll.
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A Guy
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25 Jun 2010   #29

 
 

Sanity and logic may actually prevail?

With any luck, this government (along with this particular minister's firewall circus ) will be shown the door.

The writing on the wall seems to be that the current filter as we know it may not go ahead after all.

However, what it's replaced with... place your bets people

Then again:

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That's the analysis from Greens communications spokesman Scott Ludlam
The Greens aren't exactly synonymous with ' political power or sway'....
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25 Jun 2010   #30

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You read about all these things that governments around the world are doing, supposedly to protect us, and you wonder:

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
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