| Windows 7: Finland first country to make broadband a 'legal right' |
01 Jul 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Finland first country to make broadband a 'legal right' My beloved and greatly missed native Finland made me proud today, making broadband internet connection part of what we call Citizen's Rights, meaning from today every Finn is guaranteed to have a broadband connection. 
Quote: Originally Posted by BBC World Finland makes broadband a 'legal right'
Finland argues that net access is a fundamental right.
Finland has become the first country in the world to make broadband a legal right for every citizen.
From 1 July every Finn will have the right to access to a 1Mbps (megabit per second) broadband connection.
Finland has vowed to connect everyone to a 100Mbps connection by 2015.
In the UK the government has promised a minimum connection of at least 2Mbps to all homes by 2012 but has stopped short of enshrining this as a right in law.
The Finnish deal means that from 1 July all telecommunications companies will be obliged to provide all residents with broadband lines that can run at a minimum 1Mbps speed. More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10461048.stm
Last edited by Kari; 01 Jul 2010 at 04:50 PM..
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01 Jul 2010
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x32 Macedonia |
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01 Jul 2010
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#3 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 (desktop) east central NY state |
Well done Finland! 
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01 Jul 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
Continuing the discussion ( Today thread) here. 
Quote: Originally Posted by fseal A right? That's oddly worded.
I mean I don't think any civilized country /forbids/ broadband connectivity (yet). It's pretty much a "right" as it is. Anyone can buy it if they want.
Same with power, phone, water, sewer etc... None of those are free (Except for special circumstances), but everyone has a "right" to get them if they want.
And though cable/fiber may not go to every home, satellite is an option nearly everywhere already. 
Quote: Originally Posted by Kari By calling it a legal right the legislators mean ISP's are obliged to provide a broadband connection to every home, making it a fundamental right. IMO this is very important law.
For instance if your house is in the middle of nowhere, the cost to get a line to you can be so high that no normal worker can afford to pay it. From today, the ISP has an obligation to build the line, and offer broadband to you at the same cost than other customers pay. Country is divided to regions, and every region has one ISP appointed by the state who has this obligation.
Also, making a broadband connection a fundamental right the legislators are controlling the price. No citizen should pay more than €30 a month from a 1 Mbps line, or €40 from a faster line, however expensive it was for ISP to get the line to you.
I'm sorry Fseal but I completely miss your point. IMO this is fabulous! Finally the legislators have stated that an internet connection belongs to citizens fundamental rights.
Kari 
Quote: Originally Posted by BCXtreme No offense, but I don't like this idea at all. Broadband Internet access should not be considered a right, it's a privilege. I also don't like the idea of government controlling broadband prices, it causes too many problems (as proven by history). Half of Finland's ISPs are probably going to go out of business building expensive lines without charging enough money to pay for them. I hope our legislators don't try to do something like this. Last week I read about a couple back home in Finland, living in northern region of Lapland. To get phone and internet, ISP should build over 80 kilometers (some 50 miles) new line. Of course ISP has until now refused, but in the near future this couple gets the line, thanks for the new legislation. Cost is calculated to be about €80,000 (about $100,000), €1K per kilometer.
Are you saying these people should blame themselves to be so stupid to live there, in the house where the husband was born? You find it negative that because phone and internet are now considered a fundamental right, they now get the line? | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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01 Jul 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Liberty University |

Quote: Originally Posted by Kari Continuing the discussion ( Today thread) here. 
Quote: Originally Posted by BCXtreme 
Quote: Originally Posted by Kari By calling it a legal right the legislators mean ISP's are obliged to provide a broadband connection to every home, making it a fundamental right. IMO this is very important law.
For instance if your house is in the middle of nowhere, the cost to get a line to you can be so high that no normal worker can afford to pay it. From today, the ISP has an obligation to build the line, and offer broadband to you at the same cost than other customers pay. Country is divided to regions, and every region has one ISP appointed by the state who has this obligation.
Also, making a broadband connection a fundamental right the legislators are controlling the price. No citizen should pay more than €30 a month from a 1 Mbps line, or €40 from a faster line, however expensive it was for ISP to get the line to you.
I'm sorry Fseal but I completely miss your point. IMO this is fabulous! Finally the legislators have stated that an internet connection belongs to citizens fundamental rights.
Kari No offense, but I don't like this idea at all. Broadband Internet access should not be considered a right, it's a privilege. I also don't like the idea of government controlling broadband prices, it causes too many problems (as proven by history). Half of Finland's ISPs are probably going to go out of business building expensive lines without charging enough money to pay for them. I hope our legislators don't try to do something like this. Last week I read about a couple back home in Finland, living in northern region of Lapland. To get phone and internet, ISP should build over 80 kilometers (some 50 miles) new line. Of course ISP has until now refused, but in the near future this couple gets the line, thanks for the new legislation. Cost is calculated to be about €80,000 (about $100,000), €1K per kilometer.
Are you saying these people should blame themselves to be so stupid to live there, in the house where the husband was born? You find it negative that because phone and internet are now considered a fundamental right, they now get the line? No, but there are several factors you are not considering. One is that I cannot imagine that couple is the only one living anywhere near that location. Another is, where exactly do you think that $100k is going to come from?
Whenever the government gives themselves the right to regulate prices, the pattern typically goes like this:
Price controls >> harder for industry to make a profit >> lay-offs, decrease in wages/benefits, bankruptcy OR taxpayer-funded bailout. This is EXACTLY what happened in the U.S. recently. Forcing ISPs to build $100k lines for areas from which they can never hope to make up the money, is just going to accelerate this process.
In the U.S., Internet prices hardly change at all based on location. Service comes to a given town when an ISP thinks there is enough demand in a given area to offset the cost of building the infrastructure.
My country has already lost her real estate market due to the government using the kind of logic Finland is employing in this legislation.
I am also concerned that far too many commodities are being labeled as "rights." We lost our housing market over here because our government decided that every human has a fundamental right to own a house, even if they can't pay for it. We're about to lose our healthcare system because the gov't has decided that people have a right to demand elective medical procedures without payment. It's a slippery slope.
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01 Jul 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 x64 Ultimate A Finnish immigrant in Leipzig, Germany |
That couple I mentioned lives over 80 kilometers, 50 miles, from "next door neighbors", literally in the middle of nowhere. According to the new legislation, the ISP is building the line and organizing the service at no higher cost than other customers of that ISP are paying.
The building of the line is paid by the government, which took the responsibility with this legislation. ISP has no extra cost, so they no longer have a valid reason to deny the service. Finland is a country with small population (5.3 million) but a big area, there still exist about 4,000 households considered to be too far to build a phone / broadband line (over 10 kilometers, 6.2 miles from existing line). | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number HP ENVY 17-1150eg OS Windows 7 x64 Ultimate CPU 1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor Memory 6 GB Graphics Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics Sound Card Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer Monitor(s) Displays 17" laptop display, 22" LCD and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI Screen Resolution 1600*900, 1680*1050 and 1920*1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth) Mouse Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth) Hard Drives Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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01 Jul 2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 Lost In Space, Vol 8-New Kind Of Kick |
Tough talk around here, tough time we all have, tough time we will have next, tough time is the price to pay to be all stuffed! I'm still amaze being from this world and pretty happy of new technology that are coming. I don't wanna die without a substitute of it.
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01 Jul 2010
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Good on ya Finland, you're still in the top 3 places in the world I'd like to visit. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Enterprise CPU Intel Pentium Dual E2200 @2.2GHz Motherboard Gigabyte II-G31 Memory 4GB Graphics Card Palit GForce 9500GT 1GB Sound Card onBoard Mouse Logitech MX518 PSU 450W Case CoolerMaster CM690 Cooling Corsair H50 Hard Drives WesternDigital: 250GB + 1TB + 1TB + 2TB |
01 Jul 2010
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#9 | | win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 Ohio (From WV) |
Socialism At Its Finest Great another giveaway to the masses. They can always pay for it with HIGHER TAXES. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number BGC (Bob's Garage Crew) OS win 7 X64 Ultimate SP1 CPU I3770K Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe Memory G Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL x 4 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX670 + Intel 4000 Sound Card Realtek HD 5.1 (MOB) Monitor(s) Displays Asus VW224T (1) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard MS Wireless 3000 V2 Mouse MS Wireless 3000 V2 PSU CoolerMaster 1000 Watt Case CoolerMaster HAF X Cooling CPU -- CoolerMaster 520N Hard Drives SATA Corsair Force GT 2.5" 180GB (System) Sata 3
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01 Jul 2010
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#10 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Liberty University |

Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead Great another giveaway to the masses. They can always pay for it with HIGHER TAXES. My point exactly. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware X51 OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 @3.40GHz Memory 8.00GB DDR3 Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 555 w/1.0GB RAM Monitor(s) Displays BenQ XL2420TX Screen Resolution 1920x1080@120Hz Keyboard Logitech Wireless Illuminated Keyboard K800 Mouse Razer Orochi PSU 330-watt Hard Drives 1TB Internet Speed Campus Internet Finland first country to make broadband a 'legal right' problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:17 AM. | |