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Windows 7 - External Case Cooling |
02-01-2012
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#1 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
External Case Cooling I have a Startech Esatcase2 connected to each of my PCs, and the one on the desktop is now getting old enough that the cooling fan is beginning to make noise. Even when new, due to the small size of the fan, it was never very quiet, and is louder than the PC which has many cooling fans.
I'm not certain whether the fan is accessible for replacement or not, because all that I see are only two screws at the bottom rear of the case, but even if those were all that were necessary, a new fan wouldn't be any quieter than originally.
Therefore, I've been considering the possibility of mounting a large fan on the side of the case...if I could find an appropriate cage to put them in. If I did, I'm not sure that the airflow pattern would cover each of the hard drives because the drive on the side the fan was on, would block the other one. I'm hoping that the airflow around the drives would suffice, which seems possible comparing it to that of the little fans that now exist.
Any ideas or opinions would be very helpful. Here is a link to some photos of the cases: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817707092 | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
02-01-2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister a new fan wouldn't be any quieter than originally What makes you say that?
Is it not possible that the original fan is dying and therefore making more noise than a new one?
Is it possible to replace the original fan with a same-size superior new fan from another manufacturer that would be quieter than the stock fan, even if the stock fan is in good shape? I have no idea what kind of fans those things take, but there are dozens of fan manufacturers and hundreds of fans.
If the stock fan is quite small, any same-size replacement may be noisier than you would like. Small generally means higher RPM and more noise.
Can you currently monitor the temps of those drives and the RPM of the fans?
If I recall correctly, the huge study that Google did some years ago on drive longevity did not establish a high correlation between temperature and longevity. But of course that was for ordinary cases, not those add-on externals like you have. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
02-01-2012
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#3 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |

Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic 
Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister a new fan wouldn't be any quieter than originally What makes you say that?
Is it not possible that the original fan is dying and therefore making more noise than a new one? Yes, it is making more noise now than it did previously, however I know both from my memory, and by listening to the other case, which is not all that old, that the fan has never been as quiet as I would like. Quote: Is it possible to replace the original fan with a same-size superior new fan from another manufacturer that would be quieter than the stock fan, even if the stock fan is in good shape? I have no idea what kind of fans those things take, but there are dozens of fan manufacturers and hundreds of fans. I have never come across a truly high quality fan in that small of a size. If you know of one, please tell me. I suspect that even if there were a high quality fan that small, it still wouldn't be ideal, because of the high speed involved. Quote:
If the stock fan is quite small, any same-size replacement may be noisier than you would like. Small generally means higher RPM and more noise.
Can you currently monitor the temps of those drives and the RPM of the fans? I can monitor there temps, but not their fan speeds. The temp of one drive in the case in question, is currently at 41 degrees, which is within limits, but is also somewhat higher than the drives in the main case. Quote: If I recall correctly, the huge study that Google did some years ago on drive longevity did not establish a high correlation between temperature and longevity. But of course that was for ordinary cases, not those add-on externals like you have. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
02-01-2012
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#4 | | Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8 64bit |
The spec on that enclosure shows the fan at 27.1 dBa. Check out this 60mm fan at 12 dBa and 14cfm which may do the job. Newegg.com - SilenX IXP-34-12 60mm Case Fan
Jim | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8 64bit CPU Phenom II X6 1100T Motherboard ASUS M5A99X EVO Memory Crucial Balistic 8gb DDR3-1866 CL9 Graphics Card MSI R6850 Cyclone IGD5 PE Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE258Q 25" LED with DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard AVS Gear Blue LED Backlight Mouse Logitech Marble Mouse USB, Logitech Precision Game Pad PSU Seasonic X650 80 Plus GOLD Modular Case Corsair 400R Cooling Antec Kuhler H2O 620, Two 120mm and four 140mm Hard Drives Two WD Cavier Black 2TB Sata III, WD My Book Essential 2TB USB 3.0 Internet Speed 15MB Other Info APC UPS ES 750, Netgear WNR3500L Gigabit & Wireless N Router with SamKnows Test Program, Motorola SB6120 Gigabit Cable Modem. Brother HL-2170W Laser Printer, Epson V300 Scanner |
02-01-2012
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#5 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |
I did a little Googling, which leads me to believe those things take 40mm fans.
As you say, ANY 40mm fan is likely to be noiser than ideal.
Scythe does make 40 mm fans and they are a high quality manufacturer.
Here is an example: Scythe "Mini Kaze" 40mm Silent Mini Fan
The description says it can be used in external cases. I have no idea if it will work in your case or its noise levels. Rated at 14 DB and 3500 rpm.
Jabtech is a good outfit.
I would guess other manufacturers also make small fans. Root around for Nexus, Noctua, etc.
I know you frown on Newegg, but you might look there just for ideas: Newegg.com - Hard Drive Coolers | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
02-01-2012
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#6 | | Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8 64bit |
When I Binged it shows this unit which uses a 60mm fan. Seems to be what the OP has. http://www.startech.com/InfoSafe-Dual-35-Drive-eSATA-to-SATA-HD-Enclosure~ESATCASE2
Jim | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8 64bit CPU Phenom II X6 1100T Motherboard ASUS M5A99X EVO Memory Crucial Balistic 8gb DDR3-1866 CL9 Graphics Card MSI R6850 Cyclone IGD5 PE Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VE258Q 25" LED with DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard AVS Gear Blue LED Backlight Mouse Logitech Marble Mouse USB, Logitech Precision Game Pad PSU Seasonic X650 80 Plus GOLD Modular Case Corsair 400R Cooling Antec Kuhler H2O 620, Two 120mm and four 140mm Hard Drives Two WD Cavier Black 2TB Sata III, WD My Book Essential 2TB USB 3.0 Internet Speed 15MB Other Info APC UPS ES 750, Netgear WNR3500L Gigabit & Wireless N Router with SamKnows Test Program, Motorola SB6120 Gigabit Cable Modem. Brother HL-2170W Laser Printer, Epson V300 Scanner |
02-01-2012
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#7 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |
I think you are right, Jim. I went to Startech but didn't find that exact model in my fumbling.
If it is 60mm, look at these ideas: Hard Drive Coolers*::*Case fans and accessories*::*Jab-tech 60mm Fans*::*Case Fans*::*Case fans and accessories*::*Jab-tech
Seeker: if I were in your shoes, I would tolerate temps a bit higher than you might like in exchange for quiet, but it's your call. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load |
02-01-2012
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#8 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
There is one good aspect of asking questions, it causes me to get off my haunches and do things that I have put off far too long. I did find a couple more screws on the back of the case, allowing me to disassemble it, and to give it it's first cleaning since I bought it. That quietened it down some, at least got rid of the rattly noise it was making. Considering how long it has been, it wasn't as dirty as I expected though.
I'm still interested in the idea of a large side fan for it though, because that would make a lot of difference, if it would work. Noctua is the only brand of fan that I have found that is truly quiet, but when I did search their website for a fan of this size, I found nothing. I measured the fan at ~2 1/8" in diameter, and ~5/8" thick. that diameter doesn't correlate exactly for either a 60mm (2.362 204 724 4") or 40mm (1.574 803 149 6") fan, but I'm not sure whether they are measure the size of the tunnel in which it is mounted, or the fan blades themselves? Obviously, 60mm comes much closer than 40mm. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
02-01-2012
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#9 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE |
A side question that I'm wondering about, is that I noticed in the Newegg ad, that it said that this case would support a 750GB hard drive, but I'm running a 1.5TB and 2TB drives side-by-side, and haven't had any problems that I know of. Of course the drives are only for archived data, not for running an OS from. How is that size limit involved? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
02-01-2012
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#10 | | Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by seekermeister
I'm still interested in the idea of a large side fan for it though, because that would make a lot of difference, if it would work. Noctua is the only brand of fan that I have found that is truly quiet, but when I did search their website for a fan of this size, I found nothing. I measured the fan at ~2 1/8" in diameter, and ~5/8" thick. that diameter doesn't correlate exactly for either a 60mm (2.362 204 724 4") or 40mm (1.574 803 149 6") fan, but I'm not sure whether they are measure the size of the tunnel in which it is mounted, or the fan blades themselves? Obviously, 60mm comes much closer than 40mm. I'd assume Jim is right and that you have 60mm fans. The difference between your measurement of 2 1/8 and 2.36 is under a quarter inch. In fact, that measurement of 60mm may actually be for the mounting holes?
I can't find 60mm Noctuas either.
You are just going to have to experiment. Any exposed fan is going to be noisier than a concealed equivalent. I'd pay next to no attention to marketing claims of DB ratings.
Here is a Yate Loon 60mm. Other Yate Loons I have used were low noise. Quiet 60mm Case Fan | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one OS Windows 7 SP1, Home Premium, 64-bit CPU Intel Sandy Bridge i5-2500, not overclocked Motherboard Gigabyte H67A-UD3H-B3, full ATX Memory 4 GB Crucial DDR3-1333 Graphics Card none; graphics are integrated on CPU Sound Card onboard: Realtek ALC892; external: USB Behringer UF0-202 Monitor(s) Displays NEC 90GX2-BK 19" LCD Screen Resolution 800 x 640 Keyboard Leopold Tenkeyless with Cherry Blue switches, USB Mouse Logitech or Microsoft optical wired; either USB or PS 2 PSU Seasonic SS-560KM, modular Case Antec Solo II Cooling CPU: Scythe Big Shuriken; Case: Scythe Slipstream 800 & 500 Hard Drives System: Intel 320 Series SSD, 80 GB;
Data: Samsung Spinpoint 103SJ, 1 TB;
Backup: WD Caviar Green WD15EADS-00P8B0, 1.5TB Other Info Power consumption of this system, including monitor: 68 watts at idle; 144 watts at full load All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:36 PM. |  |