Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp
I'm dead serious. You are good at explaining this stuff.
I, on the other hand, am good at volunteering other people to do things.
Thanks mate, and lol :P
Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO
The RAM vendors just want to sell you RAM. They don't care what voltage you run your processor at, that is your risk.
Well obviously there is an element to that. Believing otherwise would be foolish, but I'm sure by now there'd have been a massive hue and cry as thousands of customers have dead components caused by unsafe products.
And serious benchers go through processors like candy I expect - no skin off their nose.
I use benchers as an example because as you say they go through components like candy, but through their endeavours the rest of us can glean an insight of what extreme settings can do and for general use thus avoid.
I'd like to see that quote from Intel - I stand by my case to be prudent unless you can provide it.
If I'd bookmarked the thousands of posts discovered during casual browsing on the off chance of providing proof, I'd be more than happy to do so. I don't wish to sound argumentative or offensive, But since I don't bookmark everything on the off chance, you can remain prudent on your stance.
I do tend to advocate sticking as close to specs as possible you know, just as much as I tend to point out possible ramifications
And I am not talking a 10 year life either - I expect it is much shorter if you overvolt too much 24x7.
10 years was just an arbitrary number.
Even if you shorten a components life span by a few years, most overclockers are willing to do so. A lot of overclockers will have upgraded long before serious noticeable degradation has occurred.
Again, if you can't afford to replace something - don't do it in the first place.
But really you should not have to go out of the operating ranges except for extreme overclocking if you have the right RAM because Intel seems to have decoupled the RAM from the overclocking equation - as long as you leave BCLK alone. So there is no reason to propagate unofficial "safe" voltages for Vccio and the dram voltage when you don't really need to change them. These you mention are significantly out of the operating range in the Intel spec for Sandy Bridge.
No you shouldn't have to, but for many years people have, and will continue to go beyond the recommended ranges.
And like the "I've been running my XXX at blah for years with no problem and the "My system died because of blah" - there's always many other variables that factor into the whole equation.
I prefer not to propagate myths, but in the absence of conclusive definitives, erring on the side of a positive general consensus is better than nothing.
In this instance, I thinks it safe to agree to disagree wouldn't you say?