| Windows 7: Air flow question |
23 Dec 2012
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#1 | | Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 Somewhere Called Home |
Air flow question This might seem obvious to some but i want other peoples opinions on this the define r4 black pearl case can remove both HDD Bays if you remove the top bay and swap the stock intake fan at the front on the case for lets say a Corsair AF 140 Would it be Better Than a Corsair SP 120 Fan as a Intake with the Top HDD Drive cage removed? | My System Specs |
| Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number ECS OS Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 CPU Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.67 Ghz 2.9 Ghz Turbo Clock Motherboard ECS x58B-A Memory 6GB OCZ Gold Edition Triple Channel Graphics Card Asus 7850 2GB Edition Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Samsung Monitor Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Cooler Master Quickfire TK Cherry Mx Blues Mouse Razer Naga PSU Corsair CX 750 Watts Case Fractal Define R4 Cooling 1x140mm Front Intake Fan 1x140mm Exhaust Fan Hard Drives 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD Internet Speed Wired Ethernet 15 PING 25.00 Mbps Download 1.00 Mbps Upload Antivirus Avast 8 Free/Windows Firewall Browser Google Chrome Other Info Just ask me if i missed something |
23 Dec 2012
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
Ascendents,
You may have to describe what configuration you're looking for. Are you worried about cooling and air flow, are the spec's listed the spec's going in this new case? Define R4 Black Pearl - Fractal Design | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
23 Dec 2012
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
Looking at that case design I would leave the drive bays alone and as long as the fans are quite or speed controlled I'd leave them. If you want to increase air flow then purchase premium fans for all the locations and for sure add them to exhaust from the top. I would consider a sealed water cooler for the CPU as well and then get a fan for the side panel intake and you're good as gold on this case.
Maybe this case review will give you some added idea's? http://www.3dgameman.com/reviews/139...define-r4-case | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
24 Dec 2012
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#4 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
Yes mate go with linne and personally I prefer Coolermaster Silent Blue fans for quietness and airflow. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK |
02 Jan 2013
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#5 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Malmö, Sweden |

Quote: Originally Posted by Ascendents This might seem obvious to some but i want other peoples opinions on this the define r4 black pearl case can remove both HDD Bays if you remove the top bay and swap the stock intake fan at the front on the case for lets say a Corsair AF 140 Would it be Better Than a Corsair SP 120 Fan as a Intake with the Top HDD Drive cage removed?
AF stands for air flow and are focused on brining in as much air as possible
SP stands for static pressure and are suppose to be used on radiators, so you want to go with the AF | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core i7 860 (Lynnfield) Motherboard Asus P7P55D (LGA1156) Memory Corsair Vengeance 9,9,9,24 1600Mhz 1.50v 2x4G Graphics Card Asus nVidia 560 GTX Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays Acer P235H & NEC E201W Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 900x1600 Keyboard Ducky Shine Mouse tT Theron PSU Corsair 650 Modular Case Corsair 800D Cooling Corsair H80 with Noctua fans Hard Drives 2 Internet Speed 100/100 Browser IE10 |
02 Jan 2013
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#6 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 Laguna Hills Southern California |

Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol Yes mate go with linne and personally I prefer Coolermaster Silent Blue fans for quietness and airflow. 
I have Blue too how i miss those 2000 rpm CoolerMaster Fans
I have the Green one's too called Sickle flow those or the Sythe Mugen fans are the way to go | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me FX - Series Scorpious OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit sp1 CPU Vishera FX 8350 Oc' 4.812Ghz 1.488 V-core full load 50c Motherboard Asus Sabertooth 990fx rev 2.0 Memory 16gb Corsair Vengeance ram 1600mhz Oc'ed to 1750mhz Graphics Card VisionTek HD7970 Ghz.ed Bios Crossfire 1150/1560 power 10% Sound Card AC97 Monitor(s) Displays 27" ViewSonic 1920/1080dp hdmi 37in vizio hdmi dual monitors Screen Resolution 1920x1080 27"- 1920x1080 37" Keyboard Logitech wireless keyboard Mouse Logitech wireless mouse PSU HX1050w Corsair Silver 80plus certified crosfire/sli Case Thermaltake Element V Cooling Antec 620 Water cooling system and 4 120 mm LED fans Hard Drives Ocz Agility 120Gb SSD Seagate baracuda 500 Gb WD Mybook 500Gb Internet Speed Cable 25+ mb Antivirus WebRoot Spysweeper with Antivirus Browser IE-9, Chrome, Opera Other Info I have 2 systems FX AM3+ 8350-K15 Oc'ed 4.812Ghz AM2+ 965 BE Stock 3.4 Ghz Both stable Both Gaming Rigs Also Hp Notebook 1.65 ghz Dual core amd E-450 8gb Patriot Ram DDR3 Discrete Gpu Hd6320 dedicated ram 1973 mb 15.5 screen |
02 Jan 2013
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#7 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Ascendents This might seem obvious to some but i want other peoples opinions on this the define r4 black pearl case can remove both HDD Bays if you remove the top bay and swap the stock intake fan at the front on the case for lets say a Corsair AF 140 Would it be Better Than a Corsair SP 120 Fan as a Intake with the Top HDD Drive cage removed? Yes, I think so if I understand you correctly. The AF fans don't have much static pressure so as long as there isn't HDD obstructing it I think the 140mm would be better. If you kept the cage and populated with HDD, I would recommend the SP instead.
Last edited by GeneO; 02 Jan 2013 at 09:48 PM..
| My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built (GeneO industries)/Model 3 OS Windows 7 64 bit SP1 CPU i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, 1.264V 124 GFlop (IBT with AVX) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4GBx4) 1600MHz G.skill Ripjaws X 8-8-8-24 Graphics Card MSI GTX 660 Ti PE/OC, 2GB 7160 MHz DDR5 clock, 1228 Mhz Core Sound Card Onboard Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays NEC Spectraview 2490WUXi-SV Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard HP Wireless Mouse HP wireless PSU Seasonic X-850 (2012 KM3 model) Case Fractal Design "Define R3" Cooling CM TPC 812 push/pull, 3 120mm, 2 TY-140 case fans Hard Drives Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (System), Crucial 128GB M4 SSD, 2x WD Caviar 1TB Black internal (data), 1x WD Blue 6Gb/s 1TB Internal, 1x 2TB eSata WD20EARS Green, 2x 500GB Seagate external USB, 1x 350GB exte Internet Speed 27.8 Mb/s down, 5.6 Mb/s up Other Info USB 3.0 x4 , SATA III x4, eSATA x3, SATA II x4, USB 2.0 x8. 2 Samsung DVD R/W drives.
WEI: CPU 7.7, Memory 7.8, Graphics 7.9, Disk 7.9 |
03 Jan 2013
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
I've switched my case to more of a positive air flow and the temps are around the same and regarding dust it's about the same as well. To me with these bigger rigs the dust just happens as they have so many openings and possible fan placements and if you filter them too fine they block all air flow. This is why I take my case outside and blow it out at least quarterly if not every other month. With my radiator I'm flat amazed at the dust that comes off it ! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
03 Jan 2013
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#9 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
Yeah well mine are all Coolermasters for efficiency and quietness and I am a big fan of positive pressure to avoid that problem with the small gaps.
However having said that there is no way known to man unless you have the case hermetically sealed with dedicated ducts in and out that you will avoid dust in the machine for example at rest gravity will invarably creep it in for you an unless you have some super fine particulate filter say as for fumes or the ones they use in operating theatres you are going to get dust and like linne says you cannot avoid having to have a clean out. That needs to be done as a regular operation as dust will compat on warm and statically charged surfaces. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Toshiba Crucial 120GB SSD
Desk2 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD Internet Speed ADSL2+ Other Info One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2011 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK Air flow question problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:14 AM. | |