| Windows 7: Air cooler mods |
24 Feb 2013
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Air cooler mods I have noticed a trend with high end cpu coolers towards multiple fans. An example is the Zero Infinity Free Flow +. I can't help thinking that if you blow air through one heat exchanger and then another that the downstream one cannot work well with hot air entering it. If the centre fan was removed, the gaps at the sides and base were sealed and the outside fans set to blow inwards, the cooling would be improved. The central duct would have a cross sectional area of about 20X120 mm. A cutout in the case side would allow all the heat straight out. The air inside the case would be a lot cooler. | My System Specs |
| OS w7 ult 64 and w7 hp 64 |
24 Feb 2013
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#2 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit At home. |
The big problem I see with that is you wouldn't be able to get enough air flow through the exhaust opening to cool the heatsinks. As is, the area of the exhaust is 11.3 cm². With your setup, it would be only 2.4 cm². Trying to force the airflow to make that hard right angle turn would pretty much shut the airflow down, especially since each fan will essentially be blowing into each other.
Even though, with the present setup, the second heat sink is getting preheated air, it will still be able to give up enough heat to that air to allow it to be effective.
Ducting is a good idea and is often done. Usually, a duct is fastened to the exhaust side of the heat exchanger (or fan, if it has one) and is run to either the back of the case or the exhaust fan on the back of the case. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit CPU Intel i7-3930K Motherboard ASUS P9X79 WS Memory Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR Graphics Card MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR Sound Card On board Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays HP w2207h Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech G110 Mouse Logitech M525 (two in use) PSU Corsair HX750w Case Antec Two Hundred v2 Cooling Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm) Hard Drives Samsun 128GB 840 Pro
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24 Feb 2013
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#3 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
If I understand what you are saying I don't think its a very good idea.
Two outside fans blowing at each other hoping the air coming out will make a quick 90 deg turn and exit is not going to happen. It would cause a huge turbulence dead spot in air flow. I have looked at reviews of that cooler and haven't found a good report yet.
Air flow in a computer is like a old lady on a bicycle path.
Nice and smooth, gently curving, no sharp turns and no bicyclers coming from the other direction to get in her way.
Last edited by Layback Bear; 25 Feb 2013 at 12:01 AM..
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25 Feb 2013
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#4 | | Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit |
Bit confused without seeing what the set up is.
Surely having the fans all blowing in one direction and ducted into an out blowing case fan would be more logical than blowing the air back makes no sense to me at all. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (new) Desk1 / Toshiba L550 / Desk2 1st build OS Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 7 Pro all 64bit CPU Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i5 430m / Desk2 i5 2500 Motherboard Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ? Memory Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3 Graphics Card Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel Sound Card Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop Monitor(s) Displays Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 D1 & D2 Keyboard Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4 Mouse Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless PSU Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650 Case Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster Cooling Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ? Hard Drives Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
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25 Feb 2013
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#5 | | |
I'm no mathematician but I make it 24 square cm or 3.68 square inches between two fans which is 10 times your result. The air velocity is too low for the change in direction to be a serious problem. There are several different makes of cooler using this new system. Anyone who knows anything about temperature gradients would understand my point. Perhaps the poor performance of this cooler is an indication of the design flaws. | My System Specs | | OS w7 ult 64 and w7 hp 64 |
25 Feb 2013
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#6 | | Windows 7 professional X64 |
I don't see why you would want this > [H] < Instead of < [C] >.
If you have both fans pushing air INTO the headsink you are just concentrating warm air against eachother fans pressure. Making the system useless and more prone to heat up. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop OS Windows 7 professional X64 CPU AMD A10-5800K OC@ 4.4Ghz. Motherboard Gigabyte F2A85X-UP4 Memory 8GB Kingston HyperX Blu 1333mhz Graphics Card XFX HD7870 2GB Core Edition Monitor(s) Displays Acer AL2216W Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Mouse Logitech M504 PSU Cooler Master Silent Pro M 850W Case Thermaltake Commander MS-I Cooling Cooler Master N520 Hard Drives Seagate Barracuda 500gb 7200rpm
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25 Feb 2013
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#7 | | Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit At home. |

Quote: Originally Posted by tinmar49 I'm no mathematician but I make it 24 square cm or 3.68 square inches between two fans which is 10 times your result. The air velocity is too low for the change in direction to be a serious problem. There are several different makes of cooler using this new system. Anyone who knows anything about temperature gradients would understand my point. Perhaps the poor performance of this cooler is an indication of the design flaws. You are correct about my math; I put the decimal point in the wrong place (I hate old age!). The ratio in areas remains the same however. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit CPU Intel i7-3930K Motherboard ASUS P9X79 WS Memory Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR Graphics Card MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR Sound Card On board Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays HP w2207h Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech G110 Mouse Logitech M525 (two in use) PSU Corsair HX750w Case Antec Two Hundred v2 Cooling Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm) Hard Drives Samsun 128GB 840 Pro
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25 Feb 2013
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#8 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by Erick Aguilar I don't see why you would want this > [H] < Instead of < [C] >.
If you have both fans pushing air INTO the headsink you are just concentrating warm air against eachother fans pressure. Making the system useless and more prone to heat up.
I think what he is describing is more of like this:
......... Exhaust.........
..._____^^^_____ ...
...........\ ^ /............
Intake >____< Intake
............CPU............
lol hope that came out right...
Seems like as long as there is even pressure, the air would be exhausted out of the case effeciently. Only thing I could see wrong with this is that it is more of a mod than most people would want to go through. It would require a case mod and a custom duct for the depth of case and type of cooler. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS G60-RBBX05 OS Win7 Home Premium 64x CPU Intel Core 2 Duo P7450 / 2.13 GHz (2.29 with Extreme Turbo) Memory 4 GB PC-6400 Hyundai (2X2) at 800Mhz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB DDR3 VRAM Monitor(s) Displays 16" LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 on laptop 1600x1050 max res on 22" external mon Keyboard Chicklet type back-lit (white light) keyboard Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse 3200dpi and 1000 reports per minute PSU 6-cell Lithium ion { lasts 1.5 hours } Case ASUS G60 Laptop Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD / 320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm Internet Speed Comcast 8.60mb/s up - 3.11mb/s down Antivirus MSE Browser Firefox Other Info General mid-budget gaming Comp. Low batterylife - High FrameRates - currently overheating problems :(
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25 Feb 2013
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#9 | | |
Checkout the Zero Infinity Free Flow+, the dimensions of the gap are even better for airflow: 130mmwide by 25mm across or 32.5 sq.cm, 5 sq in. I always try to get hot air out of the case as quickly as possible unlike the purveyors of self contained watercooling who recommend blowing air into the case through the radiator which cools the cpu nicely but leaves the case full of hot air for the graphics card to use. | My System Specs | | OS w7 ult 64 and w7 hp 64 Air cooler mods problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:54 PM. | |