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12 Apr 2012   #11
linnemeyerhere

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Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

I would settle in on your case and premium PSU first as these will outlast the CPU and mobo and some of the other parts many times over if purchased properly. I would suggest the premium Corsair cases as this was a learning curve for me as well as purchasing far to little a PSU for where this hobby was going to take me. I would suggest 800watts to 1000 watts and as mentioned you can save by going with non or semi modular design because you'll be able to hide all the unused cables if there are many behind the mobo. Then purchase the optical player and the cpu cooler, case fan upgrades including controller or other devices. Leaving the Mobo, CPU, Ram and SSD/HDD's for when they hit a sale or the last push as you've made your final choice.


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12 Apr 2012   #12
ignatzatsonic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by paulstung View Post
When are the actual cpu's due for release?
I think the first batch of Ivy Bridge processors will be released at the end of this month.
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12 Apr 2012   #13
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
I would settle in on your case and premium PSU first as these will outlast the CPU and mobo and some of the other parts many times over if purchased properly.
This depends upon the type of user and upgrader you are. I "always" leave my previous computer intact, and either give it to another family member in the house or dedicate it to another purpose. Therefore, every new computer for me involves a new case, new power supply, etc. There is no advantage whatsoever in buying ahead in this case. I instead would recommend getting what really fits the budget now and replacing it later if need be as needs and budget demand.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
I would suggest 800watts to 1000 watts
I wouldn't suggest anywhere near 1,000 watts..unless you are going to run a pair of very beefy high end video cards. Otherwise you won't ever need it. Most SLI setups run just fine on 750-850 watts. Save money on going overboard with a power supply. Instead, spend your money on a QUALITY power supply. I'd rather have higher quality than higher wattage.
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12 Apr 2012   #14
linnemeyerhere

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The advice above keeps case manufactures and power supply makers very happy. But everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. It is my opinion that with future needs unknown, the extra spent now to not have to purchase a new PSU later is in fact smart money. This coupled with the added protection of the 2-5% output loss that the average power supply losses annually, this buys you future proofing. But if cooking your mobo or GPU is your bag with a PSU that starves it's components of power, runs hot and is loud then be my guest, it keeps the manufacturers very happy. Regarding the case that's a pure subjective, if you trade your car in every two years to get the new spoiler or wheel package then maybe investing in a quality case isn't for you. But if you can live with its design for the long haul then purchasing more case of higher quality will as well pay off in the long run. Hey but what ever choice you make will be the right one for you at that moment. If in time some of the wisdom from us comes to bare then that's great.
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12 Apr 2012   #15
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
But everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.
Absolutely, and I wasn't saying your advice was bad. We just have a different outlook on the subject.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
It is my opinion that with future needs unknown, the extra spent now to not have to purchase a new PSU later is in fact smart money. This coupled with the added protection of the 2-5% output loss that the average power supply losses annually, this buys you future proofing. But if cooking your mobo or GPU is your bag with a PSU that starves it's components of power, runs hot and is loud then be my guest, it keeps the manufacturers very happy.
But if you are somebody like me and won't actually put more hardware into this same machine, having the extra power in a power supply may never get taken advantage of. Regardless of what I build today, I will replace the whole thing and leave todays machine functional. So, if I were to overbuild to "futureproof", it would most likely just be a waste of money...as I most assuredly would buy again. Not to mention, there is the present value/future value of money consideration. In this case, 3-4 years down the road, technology will change, things will improve and prices will drop. Why spend even more for what's "state of the art today", when I can save money today and see what my options are 3-4 years from now when the landscape changes.

And while I am here; I absolutely HATE the term futureproofing. Spending more today, in no way guarantees your computer will be more relevant in the future. Back in the day, I bought a Q9550 quad core CPU, while the QX9750's existed for nearly 3x the price....now..3 years later....both CPU's are slow compared to anything available today. I would be more or less just as outdated today with either CPU.

I'm not concerned one bit about cooking my mobo or having my power supply running hot and loud. I have a nearly 3 year old computer running a Corsiar HX620 and it's solid as a rock. Was a great purchase 3 years ago, and is still way more power than my PC needs, even after putting in my 580 GTX GPU to replace my aging Nvidia 9800GTX+.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by linnemeyerhere View Post
Regarding the case that's a pure subjective, if you trade your car in every two years to get the new spoiler or wheel package then maybe investing in a quality case isn't for you. But if you can live with its design for the long haul then purchasing more case of higher quality will as well pay off in the long run.
I do appreciate a nice case. I run an Antec P182 case myself and am happy with it (although it is a big too big in retrospect). But in a year or so, when I build a new computer to replace my current rig, I don't want to scrap the current rig. It's still a great machine and would make a great desktop for my wife, my kids or a new Linux workstation. So, I will leave it exactly as is, and will buy myself an all new machine from the ground up. My previous desktop was built in a lovely Antec Sonata II case and is currently my Linux box. And my previous Linux box, was also in a lovely Antec Sonata II case and is currently my home file server. I do build for the long haul, in fact they stay nearly the same for their entire lifespan...except maybe for a harddrive and/or video card.
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18 Apr 2012   #16
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

In regards to power supllies I also agree go with a quality brand. Its the heart of everything, dont skimp here. but at the same time, do not go overboard either. Corsair, Seasonic, Antec are some good choices.

And you do not need a huge wattage one. As already mentioned, a good quality 650 will be more than enough power for any single GPU system you build, with plenty of power to spare. And it will be capable of powering some lower end multi GPU systems.

A quality 750 will run most higher end dual GPUs.

In many cases, depending on your build a 550 or so will be more than enough.

Theres only 2 reasons you need a 1000W PSU.
1) You want to run 3 high end/high power draw GPUs. I/e Triple SLi GTX 580s.
2) The PSU is a off brand and needs the higher wattage to try and keep up with the name brand 550-650 watters

Ive had Corsairs in the past and been happy with them. Built a few machines with Antecs and no issues there either.
But my personal favorite has to be the Seasonics. Seriously a quality PSU there, and a joy to build with. I'll certainly stick with them in the future.

I went with the Seasonic X750, not because I needed that much power currently, but because I wanted a option for SLI in the future.

--That being said from what Ive seen the newer Corsair AX series PSUs are basically a Seasonic X series with some minor changes/improvements and a Corsair badge on it. If so, those should be pretty excellent as well.
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18 Apr 2012   #17
Andreas W

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
In regards to power supllies I also agree go with a quality brand. Its the heart of everything, dont skimp here. but at the same time, do not go overboard either. Corsair, Seasonic, Antec are some good choices.

And you do not need a huge wattage one. As already mentioned, a good quality 650 will be more than enough power for any single GPU system you build, with plenty of power to spare. And it will be capable of powering some lower end multi GPU systems.

A quality 750 will run most higher end dual GPUs.

In many cases, depending on your build a 550 or so will be more than enough.

Theres only 2 reasons you need a 1000W PSU.
1) You want to run 3 high end/high power draw GPUs. I/e Triple SLi GTX 580s.
2) The PSU is a off brand and needs the higher wattage to try and keep up with the name brand 550-650 watters

Ive had Corsairs in the past and been happy with them. Built a few machines with Antecs and no issues there either.
But my personal favorite has to be the Seasonics. Seriously a quality PSU there, and a joy to build with. I'll certainly stick with them in the future.

I went with the Seasonic X750, not because I needed that much power currently, but because I wanted a option for SLI in the future.

--That being said from what Ive seen the newer Corsair AX series PSUs are basically a Seasonic X series with some minor changes/improvements and a Corsair badge on it. If so, those should be pretty excellent as well.
I would personally go with a corsair but that is mainly because I have 1 already and no issue with it at all even after 4 years of usage and if something works I stick wit h the same brand. And I just love what corsair have started selling now and that is the full sleeved kit they sell now for most of their PSU saving a huge ammount of time if your into that kind of things and some of the sleeved extensions out there cost quite a bit also.
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20 Apr 2012   #18
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

In three months there will be many new and different hardware out. Settling on most anything now won't help when you buy, other than a power supply, They rarely change too much.
In three months Ivy Bridge will have had several tests done and there will be a slew of new boards to run them. Intel has yet to bring out their complete new chip set line too.

Many fast changes happen in the graphics side of thing too, a nVIDIA 680 may be so-so in three months and there could even be DDR4 DRAM out.
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22 Apr 2012   #19
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
In three months there will be many new and different hardware out. Settling on most anything now won't help when you buy, other than a power supply, They rarely change too much.
In three months Ivy Bridge will have had several tests done and there will be a slew of new boards to run them. Intel has yet to bring out their complete new chip set line too.

Many fast changes happen in the graphics side of thing too, a nVIDIA 680 may be so-so in three months and there could even be DDR4 DRAM out.
I agree with all of that. If you buy the newest CPU, motherboard or graphics card today, it will be second generation in 6 months. I think it just depends on where you are. Some people are extreme enthusiasts and end up rebuilding every 6 months or so. Most people buy a computer and use it until their needs outgrow the computer's capability or the parts wear out. At that point you can decide whether to upgrade or rebuild. Unless you are an extreme enthusiast, just buy the components that you figure will meet your needs for the next few years. It really does not matter if it is the latest and greatest technology. Even if it is, it will be outdated in 6 months.
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