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Windows 7: First Build; Comments/Ideas?

19 Oct 2012   #11
Pedroc1999

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
 
 

yep, anyone that completely is against overclocking is denying free power


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20 Oct 2012   #12
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by moneybagman View Post
Well how serious is a "serious gamer"? I want to be able to play games like Metro 2033 and Fallout 3 while running demanding applications in the background. On a normal day, I am usually running my own Minecraft server, a website server, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Eclipse all at once on my laptop, and my laptop can handle it....for the most part, it just has a POS GUI like I said.
Serious gamers are people that have 2 graphic cards running at the same time, buy the newest games and run them at max quailty, and link their rig to a bigass TV/projector or at least 2 big screens, or have 3D screens and glasses, or all of the above.

If the laptop you have can do what you need with a i5, a i7 will not really have issues.

Especially if that adobe programs are newish, when you have a real GPU (Graphics Processing Unit, not GUI, graphic user interface, the former is the hardware handling what is displayed on the screen, the latter is the program in most operating systems allows you to operate the machine by manipulating icons, windows and menus instead of just having a full-screen command prompt like old DOS) they can go and ask it to do some of the leg work, leaving the CPU more free to work at minecraft server things.

Fallout 3 runs on my rig as well (not on max setting, sure) so I don't think it's an issue.
Most FPS are console ports so they aren't horribly demanding as well, as long as you don't play them on a massive screen or on multiple screens or in 3D, anyway.

As a sidenote, unless there is a huge price difference, I tend to prefer to buy the best card for the GPU, ATI has 3 tiers of cards you can tell from the last two numbers in the card series number (the one linked is a 7800 series card), the "30" is entry, the "50" is mid and the "70" is the top.
The GPU is the same, but it's less powerful as some hardware isn't installed if it's not top (top have higher clock, and more processors).
The one you linked is medium, and since the 7800 series is no more the top dog anyway, (newest is 7900 series and that's what serious gamers buy) the prices dropped and you can get the top card of 7800 series for just a few dozen bucks more from the same site, here.
Performance increase between the 50 and 70 is usually noticeable from reviews.

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anyone that completely is against overclocking is denying free power
overclocking makes some sense if the hardware you have is crappy and you need more power without paying cash, but if you can take top CPUs they do have so much power that really, adding 10% isn't worth the risk and added wear.
Really, you have more issues and bottlenecks when programs are written by lazy bummers that don't let them take full advantage of more than 2 cores and you have to go and micromanage manually with third-party hacks.

I have the sneaking suspicion that hardware designed for gamers is designed to be overclocked, that is, its "stock clock" is kept low just to let people think they "overclocked" when in reality it's running at the clock it was designed to be run at. So, if your hardware says it's "designed to be overclocked", yes, it's free power.
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20 Oct 2012   #13
moneybagman

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobafetthotmail View Post
Especially if that adobe programs are newish, when you have a real GPU (Graphics Processing Unit, not GUI, graphic user interface, the former is the hardware handling what is displayed on the screen, the latter is the program in most operating systems allows you to operate the machine by manipulating icons, windows and menus instead of just having a full-screen command prompt like old DOS) they can go and ask it to do some of the leg work, leaving the CPU more free to work at minecraft server things.
Yeah, I know the difference between a GPU and a GUI, I just wasn't thinking :P

I see what you are saying about hardcore computer gamers, and I don't think I am headed that direction with my gaming career. I do want to be able to get a second screen in the future maybe when I get the chance, but right now it is one screen for me because that is just too expensive at this point in time. Over the past couple years, games have become a lot more demanding on people's PCs. I am planning on keeping this computer for a good long time, and like I said, making upgrades when I can, but for 20 bucks more now, rather than paying for a new CPU later down the road when games are running details that would be considered mind blowing today, I think I am going to get the overclocked i7 just in case, plus, it makes me feel good :3

As for the GPU, this is getting deeper than I thought, first it was $150, a couple hours later it was $200, now, $250, I feel like you guys are luring me in as if you work for newegg.com or something, lol.

Next will be this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Graphics-Cards <----I want!
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20 Oct 2012   #14
bobkn

Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by moneybagman View Post
Nah, you don't want a 6GB OpenGL card for gaming. Rather, get a couple of:

Newegg.com - EVGA Signature 04G-P4-2692-KR GeForce GTX 690 4GB 512-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

for quad SLI.
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21 Oct 2012   #15
bobafetthotmail

Win 7 Pro 64-bit 7601
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by moneybagman View Post
As for the GPU, this is getting deeper than I thought, first it was $150, a couple hours later it was $200, now, $250, I feel like you guys are luring me in as if you work for newegg.com or something, lol.
hehehehehe

You said you wanted to play modern-ish games. If you take a card that is too crappy, you'll have to buy a new one in a few years when it gets too weak to run games.

Also notice the gamer card the guy above recommends (*cough*overkill*cough*). With that you can run 3 screens per card. But costs you more than the rest of the rig. lol

The Quadro you linked is for very serious 3D work, like CGI artists that do HD animated lifelike stuff for movies, it's a bit too overkill for gaming.
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21 Oct 2012   #16
moneybagman

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

I am still learning this stuff, which would be considered better and why, the one with the 15 awards, or the one that is $20 more? I can see that each has its pros and cons in comparison, but which do you think would be overall better?

Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more!
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21 Oct 2012   #17
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

The 7870 would probably be the better card between those two. It requires a tad bit more power(450 vs 500 watts) though. The 7870, from what I've read, is a really good overclocker if you want a little more performance. If you were choosing between the 660 Ti and the 7870, the 660 Ti beats it like a dog, all day long.
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21 Oct 2012   #18
moneybagman

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

This is why I would like to get a new computer, lol. I have plenty of RAM and processing power, but I can hardly do even basic intensive 3D without this happening. If it is any tell tale of my GPU, it is the fact that just moving around in 3D my screen shutters as if playing a game running 10 FPS

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23 Oct 2012   #19
solomonkane

Windows Home Premium 64 bit SP1
 
 

I'm goin g to be doing a gaming build soon myself, the graphics card that I'm going with is the Galaxy GeForce GTX 670 GC 4GB
Newegg.com - Galaxy 67NQH6DN6KXZ GeForce GTX 670 GC 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
I think that it will have plenty of muscle to get the job done.
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25 Nov 2012   #20
moneybagman

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

For all those still hanging about, I finally bought my pieces and they should be arriving within the next week or so from newegg. I bought more than what I expected to buy only because of some great deals I saw on newegg, so there are a few more items and upgrades that I added to the build. Also, I have decided that I will buy another one of the same monitors later around Christmas when I have more money.
The build consists of:
  • CPU: Intel i7 3770k Ivy Bridge (I plan to overlock when I get an aftermarket cooler possibly around Christmas :3)
  • Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77
  • GPU: EVGA SuperClocked+ GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB 192-bit (Woo free Assassins Creed 3 promo!)
  • RAM: 2 x Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
  • PSU: PSU CORSAIR HX750 750W (Fully Modular)
  • Optical Drive: ASUS 24X DVD Burner
  • Networking: ASUS PCE-N15 Wireless Adapter
  • Case: Corsair Obsidian 650D
  • Monitor: ASUS VW246H 24-inch 1080p LCD Monitor
I will add pictures later as the build pieces arrive and eventually I will have pictures of the final result and its performance levels (All coming soon! Yay!).
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