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29 Oct 2012   #31
Music Guy123

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Haha, well each to their own I think! I'd agree that top end closed loops (e.g. h100) are better than the d-14 cooling wise. However, I'm pretty sure anything lower (e.g. h80) is worse. The h100 will be louder as it has four fans plus a water pump. The noctuas are virtually silent when in a case. If I've got the right cooler, your cooler is certainly not as good as a noctua, have a look here where it is tested agains the h100: Page 2 - Intel’s liquid CPU cooler: Is water worth the cost? | ExtremeTech (if that isn't your cooler, I got it wrong sorry!). Have a look at this as well: Intel LGA2011 CPU Cooler Roundup For Sandy Bridge-E Processors - Temperature Testing Results - Legit Reviews The noctua is certainly up there! And the fans can be very quiet, there is only two of them and no pump!

As for my case, I'd agree it's not going to be easy to shield and stuff. I think what I will do is buy a motherboard backplate for an original case or get an old one then attach that to the wood. I'll then go from there, should make life a lot more easy!!! As for the deepcool game storm, very interesting!!!! I'll look at it in detail! Thanks for that! Air coolers are huge though! I considered a scythe typhoon but was worried it might be a little too big!! As for the GHz of phones, i think you aren't far off!

Anyway, thanks for the help so far guys, it is very much appreciated!

All the best,

Music Guy


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29 Oct 2012   #32
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

Just to clarify, that test between the H100 and the Intel cooler is on socket 2011, mine is on socket 1155 and on an Ivy Bridge chip. All the reviews I read about that cooler don't do it justice because I know what it runs and has ran from day 1 and it is significantly lower than most reviewers' tests. I've never seen it hit more than 55* and that was with way more voltage than it needed @ 4.5GHz. Either way, you'll have a good cooler, I was just trying to dispel some myths about closed loop water coolers.
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29 Oct 2012   #33
Music Guy123

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
Just to clarify, that test between the H100 and the Intel cooler is on socket 2011, mine is on socket 1155 and on an Ivy Bridge chip. All the reviews I read about that cooler don't do it justice because I know what it runs and has ran from day 1 and it is significantly lower than most reviewers' tests. I've never seen it hit more than 55* and that was with way more voltage than it needed @ 4.5GHz. Either way, you'll have a good cooler, I was just trying to dispel some myths about closed loop water coolers.
Haha, no problem! I didn't think about the fact of the two different sockets! Anyway, the point is, I don't want water in my pc ! It's just my opinion! Fair enough to all those who want it, I see where you are coming from and you have good reasons to want to do so!
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29 Oct 2012   #34
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

I understand where you are coming from, as I was leery about it at first. Keep us posted on the progression of your build!
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30 Oct 2012   #35
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Yeah MG let us know how it goes but just out of interest take a look at this (what I was originally buy but the overhang on the RAM was making it very tight, and you thought the Scythe was big LOL!!

Gamer Storm Assassin CPU Cooler Review | Hardware Secrets

As for your shield mate I'd just go the metal sheet inside the box? Would not be a big job nor should it be expensive if you use very thin plate (copper would be ideal)
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30 Oct 2012   #36
Music Guy123

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I'll keep you guys updated! As for the shielding, i'll stick some copper sheets in. I don't know what I'll do about the mobo backplate yet! I might just put a thing copper sheet and screw standoffs into that or into the wood.

As for the cooler, that's quite big but it's identical size and design wise to the noctua. The difference is it has more heatpipes. Also, the CPU plate is larger but this isn't an advantage as it just overhangs the CPU I think. Anyway, for the earlier thing about water coolers being quieter, have a look at the bottom of the page: Gamer Storm Assassin CPU Cooler Review | Hardware Secrets The h100 is only 5*C cooler but makes a racket! And I dont know Ill go with this one, I still prefer the noctua. Have a look at this, I know it's with a 3950 but the noise levels will be similar. m.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-Air-Overclocking,3130.html Skip the installation part if you want. And if you think some of those coolers are big, have a look at the scythe susanoo!!!

Anyway, thanks again for all the help, it's very much appreciated!

Music Guy
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30 Oct 2012   #37
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Hey MG that actually never occurred to me before now - the weight of the cooler hanging off the board. I knew the Deepcooler was rather large and perhaps was heavy did didn't really relate it to what would be like building a block of flats on the side of a cliff!!

Hum that has got me thinking I suppose even though it is costly liquid nitrogen sorta makes sense a bit now insomuch hat you could just pipe it in from an outside exchange unit a bit like my split system air conditioning. Mind you from reading a bit about what the effects LN2 would be on say a mobo I suppose even that is pushing the envelope because given that it is supposedly electrically inert I am thinking more about the effect of the extreme low temps on components (I wonder how the BIOS battery for instance would fare) perhaps making them electrically no conductors??

There seems to be no real easy and inexpensive answer unless you are clever enough to manufacture heat pipes that were long enough to be routed to a heat exchanger outside of the unit big enough to be supported on it's own mounting point/s.

Mate maybe I missed something along the way (not an impossibility) but are you going to mount the mobo directly to the side / back of the cabinet?

Anyway nice ref - thanks!

Beam me up errrr....
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30 Oct 2012   #38
Music Guy123

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Haha, yes, that's a good way to describe that cooler, it truely is huge!! I think I'll stick to the noctua for now, I may consider the susanoo but it's a bit big. As for liquid N2, now i don't know how you would pipe it! Because you would have to keep it moving to be able to keep it all cool, it would take vast amounts of energy to cool it! Then, what happens when you turn the pc off? You either have to remove all the LN2 and store it somewhere and then put it in when you start the pc but that is a nightmare. You can't leave it just to sit there, because it will evaporate. And you can't keep it circulating and the pc off because I'm sure storing a cpu at -200 is a bit ambitious! It will damage some components but it also may make them more effective! When you cool down a conductor, you can cool it down far enough so that it has no resistance, this is called superconductivity. Now, this is only doable with a select few materials at -200*C, things like aluminium do it at about -270*C. However, -200 will improve it dramatically. However, there are more problems though to deal with, I wouldn't worry about the CMOS battery but using nitrogen constantly will certainly kill your components! People do use nitrogen for extreme OCing. It is poured into a can that is on top of the cpu. That cools it. When the LN2 evaporates, they add more. But this is not a very long term solution, it's just a minute or two!

Anyway, that's just a little physics for you! As for my pc, I don't know whether to set it up as a tower or desktop config. Tower takes a lot less space but with a big cooler, can put stress on the mobo. Desktop takes up a tonne of space but is less stressful...But yes, the mobo will be mounted on the side or back, or base, depends!

Anyway, thanks again!

Music
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30 Oct 2012   #39
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Yeah it's a pity we couldn't figure out how to use some of the older fridge technologies like those older ammonia based ones

I reckon if there were some way of containing solid CO2 within the cooler pipes instead of the - I think I am right in saying they use demineralised water at time of writing that would at least give some sort of protection against damage by leakage. Because as far as I am aware and I stand to be corrected CO2 is not a very corrosive medium / molecule unless it is bound to a hydrogen atom making carbonic acid. I suppose one could also argue they (ordinary heat pipes) could also burst through whatever cause - then one would have a similar problem.

So to say one is out of the woods by using an air cooler is not strictly correct if spillage is the main concern within the case.

Which brings me back to what could be used in the pipes or liquid system that would allow heat transfer and not be a problem should the system leak or catastrophically destruct itself, by using a transfer agent that is electrically inert / non conductive.

Having said that I will agree that the liquid system is inherently more likely to cause that catastrophic damage should it develop a fault
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30 Oct 2012   #40
Britton30
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A wood case sounds really awesome. You might cannabalise a metal case and use the drive bays and motherboard back plate and put them in the wood case. you can ground (earth) the whole mess with a Molex connector using the black wire from it. If all the metal parts are attached to each other, voila', grounding done.
Shielding, maybe you don't need it. Many case come with a large plastic (acrylic or polycarbonate) window and they have no shield on the one side at least. I suspect if you'd use the metal case parts they would provide plenty of shielding. The opto drives and HDDs would be enclosed in a metal cocoon-like arrangement.

About LN cooling. That is used only for an exhibition for overclockers or to show off at an electronics show. The board, RAM, GPU, and area around the CPU socket all have to be sealed with an insulation material to keep them away from the extreme cold as much as possible. There is still a lot of condensation build up, which freezes, then thaws flooding the whole mess.
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