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18 Mar 2013   #41
essenbe

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[DICLAIMER]: Well, what I've read, and have no idea of how truthful it is. As Kelly said, AMD is not pushing them and (with apologies to the AMD guys) they have the desktop market sewn up. The only thing that AMD has better is the on chip GPU and lower power (Laptop market). That's what Intel is going for. They apparently want AMD out of the business all together. That sounds like Intel to me. But, they have to give the desktop market something, so.... Haswell is supposed to be 15% more efficient than Ivy, just like Ivy was to Sandy. If you do the math, that is not insignificant. But the most interesting part, if true is that Intel has found problems with linking everything to the bus frequency of 100. So, they are separating it again. If they separate the BUS from the Uncore, that will make overclocking a new game entirely. If they do that, it will put overclocking back to the old way, and a lot of us back in school. personally, I hope that's true. And, I can't give a link because I don't recall where I read it ut I found it on a couple of different sites. It was one night when I was bored and just looking around to see what I could find. Again, I don't know if all this has any basis in fact, but it would be fun to discuss it. [/DISCLAIMER]

If you look on my specs you see i have a amd a8 something. Thats accually really good for games and working. Really happy for the amd apu i have...
That's good then. If it will do what you need it to do and you are happy with it, that makes it a good computer. Specs and benchmarks are just synthetic scores. What matters most is the computer does what you want and makes you happy.


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18 Mar 2013   #42
sisrace

 

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[DICLAIMER]: Well, what I've read, and have no idea of how truthful it is. As Kelly said, AMD is not pushing them and (with apologies to the AMD guys) they have the desktop market sewn up. The only thing that AMD has better is the on chip GPU and lower power (Laptop market). That's what Intel is going for. They apparently want AMD out of the business all together. That sounds like Intel to me. But, they have to give the desktop market something, so.... Haswell is supposed to be 15% more efficient than Ivy, just like Ivy was to Sandy. If you do the math, that is not insignificant. But the most interesting part, if true is that Intel has found problems with linking everything to the bus frequency of 100. So, they are separating it again. If they separate the BUS from the Uncore, that will make overclocking a new game entirely. If they do that, it will put overclocking back to the old way, and a lot of us back in school. personally, I hope that's true. And, I can't give a link because I don't recall where I read it ut I found it on a couple of different sites. It was one night when I was bored and just looking around to see what I could find. Again, I don't know if all this has any basis in fact, but it would be fun to discuss it. [/DISCLAIMER]

If you look on my specs you see i have a amd a8 something. Thats accually really good for games and working. Really happy for the amd apu i have...
That's good then. If it will do what you need it to do and you are happy with it, that makes it a good computer. Specs and benchmarks are just synthetic scores. What matters most is the computer does what you want and makes you happy.
Yeah. Its working. But its not the best gaming perfeomance. It cant even run minecraft vannilla with max settings witout getting higher than 40-50fps... And thats with a new world... So sure. It works with gaming but its nood good. Thats why i will get a good desktop. The laptop is really good for taking with you and game like lan..
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18 Mar 2013   #43
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

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Nah I am staying with Ivy she is quick enough and well the graphics I prefer a small not terribly expensive card to be honest (and it gives me an excuse to get inside the machine and play LOL!!)

I mean how fast and efficient do we really need to go?? Plus we could go on about this till the cows come home. It's interesting from a technology point of view but heck what I use my machines for I just don't see the point unless I was a besotted gamer of course
Besides you can probably spend more money and effort on stuff that can be recouped from using it.

Mind you can't wait for those cheaper chips

I looked on a video about the new chip... He said its mostly for laptops and it less power consumpning. I dont care about the power consumtion. Its my parents who pay for the power ...
Otherwise. The performance is really good from the i5 3570K so why whait...and ddr4.. Nah. Thinking of using 2133mhz ddr3 and i think it will last long when it comes to new ddr4 comparison. Ddr4 will probably be like ddr3. "Slow" speeds in the beginning and when the new version is comming we push the speed up crazy. Like 2400mhz...
Well for what my very humble and not terribly intuitive opinion or mind is worth the i5 actually is an i7 that did not make "the grade" when it came to slicing the silicon disk up and while you are right the lesser power consumption is aimed at the laptop market it is still a real powerhouse in a desktop.

If you could see the differences between the mobile processor and the ones we put in desktops my friend you would know that the laptop version does not have a heat sink whereas the desktop one does. See the pic from a site I use a lot for fixing Toshibas and you will see that difference and by the way the GPU chip is shown as well. As you mentioned videos take a look at this quite simple one made by Intel and there are more in depth ones too Sand to Silicon - the Making of a Chip (full screen) - YouTube
The capability of the particular "i" series core is not reflected in any way as to the performance of any such core. So an i5 3570K in its laptop form is no better than the desktop version it just smaller (thinner).
As for power consumption this is an important consideration for laptops given the cooling problems therein - would you agree or not?
I would go as far as to say that the power consumption of the CPU is a somewhat piddling amount compared to the proposed GPU for your machine I would then go on to say that add all the power consumptions of the rest of the hardware together and there you will find the CPU is a minor player.
The RAM well I have 8GB 2400MHz in and run it at 1866MHz and quite frankly I cannot see much to any difference in running that at the default 1333MHz that my board gives it.
All in all I think that you are wanting is some super fast machine that is created by just throwing super speed components into a machine but in my own experience it does not quite work like that unless of course you know of a way that does.
But anyway I stand to be corrected on any of what I have said all the same.


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18 Mar 2013   #44
sisrace

 

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Nah I am staying with Ivy she is quick enough and well the graphics I prefer a small not terribly expensive card to be honest (and it gives me an excuse to get inside the machine and play LOL!!)

I mean how fast and efficient do we really need to go?? Plus we could go on about this till the cows come home. It's interesting from a technology point of view but heck what I use my machines for I just don't see the point unless I was a besotted gamer of course
Besides you can probably spend more money and effort on stuff that can be recouped from using it.

Mind you can't wait for those cheaper chips

I looked on a video about the new chip... He said its mostly for laptops and it less power consumpning. I dont care about the power consumtion. Its my parents who pay for the power ...
Otherwise. The performance is really good from the i5 3570K so why whait...and ddr4.. Nah. Thinking of using 2133mhz ddr3 and i think it will last long when it comes to new ddr4 comparison. Ddr4 will probably be like ddr3. "Slow" speeds in the beginning and when the new version is comming we push the speed up crazy. Like 2400mhz...
Well for what my very humble and not terribly intuitive opinion or mind is worth the i5 actually is an i7 that did not make "the grade" when it came to slicing the silicon disk up and while you are right the lesser power consumption is aimed at the laptop market it is still a real powerhouse in a desktop.

If you could see the differences between the mobile processor and the ones we put in desktops my friend you would know that the laptop version does not have a heat sink whereas the desktop one does. See the pic from a site I use a lot for fixing Toshibas and you will see that difference and by the way the GPU chip is shown as well. As you mentioned videos take a look at this quite simple one made by Intel and there are more in depth ones too Sand to Silicon - the Making of a Chip (full screen) - YouTube
The capability of the particular "i" series core is not reflected in any way as to the performance of any such core. So an i5 3570K in its laptop form is no better than the desktop version it just smaller (thinner).
As for power consumption this is an important consideration for laptops given the cooling problems therein - would you agree or not?
I would go as far as to say that the power consumption of the CPU is a somewhat piddling amount compared to the proposed GPU for your machine I would then go on to say that add all the power consumptions of the rest of the hardware together and there you will find the CPU is a minor player.
The RAM well I have 8GB 2400MHz in and run it at 1866MHz and quite frankly I cannot see much to any difference in running that at the default 1333MHz that my board gives it.
All in all I think that you are wanting is some super fast machine that is created by just throwing super speed components into a machine but in my own experience it does not quite work like that unless of course you know of a way that does.
But anyway I stand to be corrected on any of what I have said all the same.
Not totally sure about if youre talking about laptops with cpu and gpu or just cpu with intergrated graphics like mine. And. The cooling technology in a laptop is a bit like a aftermarket cpu cooler i suppose? Fan that blows air on a heatsink that then cools the cpu with heatpipes.so its like a normal desktop cpu cooler but smaller and the heatpipes is longer...


And "only having minecraft servers" minecraft servers is running much faster and smoother with better ram and cpu. My old desktop woth modded server vs my laptop with modded server. My laptop server is faster. Becouse i think i
Atleast is bcouse i got better ram. 1600mhz ddr3 instead of 400mhz ddr2. The cpu is simmilar. 1.9 ghz 4 core amd cpu vs 3 core 2.4 ghz amd.
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18 Mar 2013   #45
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

This is a typical set up in a laptop they do vary a little from brand to brand - this is a Toshiba.

Perhaps you can see now why they have no heatsink attached to the chip itself because the bottom panel is very close to the motherboard as you might imagine. So in essence I guess you could call it a stock cooler.

The new "i" series chips might well have the GPU on them too but as I have never worked on one yet I cannot say.


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18 Mar 2013   #46
sisrace

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
This is a typical set up in a laptop they do vary a little from brand to brand - this is a Toshiba.

Perhaps you can see now why they have no heatsink attached to the chip itself because the bottom panel is very close to the motherboard as you might imagine. So in essence I guess you could call it a stock cooler.

The new "i" series chips might well have the GPU on them too but as I have never worked on one yet I cannot say.
I do know how laptops is built a thing... How did we come from desktop cpu coolant to laptop cpu coolant??
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18 Mar 2013   #47
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sisrace View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
This is a typical set up in a laptop they do vary a little from brand to brand - this is a Toshiba.

Perhaps you can see now why they have no heatsink attached to the chip itself because the bottom panel is very close to the motherboard as you might imagine. So in essence I guess you could call it a stock cooler.

The new "i" series chips might well have the GPU on them too but as I have never worked on one yet I cannot say.
I do know how laptops is built a thing... How did we come from desktop cpu coolant to laptop cpu coolant??
Well I am glad that you how laptops are built.

To answer your question (from what my obviously limited mind can make out of post #44) you made mention that the i5 was made - more for laptops or so I thought hence I went on to explain the difference.

Which video you were watching I don't know but from what I have read and researched on the "i" series of CPU they were intended for any computing device not just with laptops especially in mind - unless I am dreadfully wrong of course - far be it for me to claim to be an expert.

But in any case as you know about how laptops and how these devices are made already then I was plainly wasting my time wasn't I??
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19 Mar 2013   #48
sisrace

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sisrace View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
This is a typical set up in a laptop they do vary a little from brand to brand - this is a Toshiba.

Perhaps you can see now why they have no heatsink attached to the chip itself because the bottom panel is very close to the motherboard as you might imagine. So in essence I guess you could call it a stock cooler.

The new "i" series chips might well have the GPU on them too but as I have never worked on one yet I cannot say.
I do know how laptops is built a thing... How did we come from desktop cpu coolant to laptop cpu coolant??
Well I am glad that you how laptops are built.

To answer your question (from what my obviously limited mind can make out of post #44) you made mention that the i5 was made - more for laptops or so I thought hence I went on to explain the difference.

Which video you were watching I don't know but from what I have read and researched on the "i" series of CPU they were intended for any computing device not just with laptops especially in mind - unless I am dreadfully wrong of course - far be it for me to claim to be an expert.

But in any case as you know about how laptops and how these devices are made already then I was plainly wasting my time wasn't I??
You know if a cpu with intergrated graphics vs a cpu without and both for the same prize. Wich is the best?
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19 Mar 2013   #49
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

Personally I go for a decent CPU and a reasonable priced GPU I find getting the drivers right for dedicate GPU's much less of a challenge.

But I just have a GPU as I like the control over quality rather then leave it to what is given me as I very rarely game I don't have the time to be honest. So I don't need all the whistles and bells that some gamers require or like.

Price wise well it is going to cost more because it is extra equipment but if you can get away with the onboard graphics then it is the cheapest way out..
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19 Mar 2013   #50
sisrace

 

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Personally I go for a decent CPU and a reasonable priced GPU I find getting the drivers right for dedicate GPU's much less of a challenge.

But I just have a GPU as I like the control over quality rather then leave it to what is given me as I very rarely game I don't have the time to be honest. So I don't need all the whistles and bells that some gamers require or like.

Price wise well it is going to cost more because it is extra equipment but if you can get away with the onboard graphics then it is the cheapest way out..
No i meant if a cpu without intergrated graphics is faster that one with. Of couse ill use a real gpu...
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