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Windows 7: Confusion with Tcase and TjMax

01 Apr 2013   #1
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 
Confusion with Tcase and TjMax

Hello, I'm like the title says a little confused. I have done some slight overclocking on my system

CPU from 3.0 to 3.6

RAM from 1600 to 2133

Yesterday I was in another thread and another member was about to run Intel Burn Test. He ran it standard first, then I suggested Maximum 5 passes because thats how I ran it for mine. I went from this tut
CPU - Stress Test Using IntelBurnTest when I checked my system .In the tut under requirements I went to my processor for Tcase and found my Tcase is 67.4C. I always assused for Intel I needed to watch TjMax which is 105C for my cpu (I would never want to actually go that high). So I ran the test with these results. My temp went in the upper 60's for cores 0-2 and 71 for core 4. It passed but I'm still wondering was it bad to go past 67.4? My normal idle is in the 30'sC and usually never go higher than 63C playing games.

I am going to get a better cooler, my question is what is actually the highest safe temp for my proccesor.
http://ark.intel.com/products/65509/Intel-Core-i5-3330-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz




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01 Apr 2013   #2
paulpicks21

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Hey Dude, the Ivybridge CPU's can run fairly hot, Yes 105C should be when the PC shuts down to save any damage to the CPU, I certainly would not recommend getting close to that, but even in the 80's will be fine.

Personally I prefer to keep things between 60-70C, when overclocked, but that's just me and it's pretty cool where I live.

Sounds like everything is just fine for you right now.
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01 Apr 2013   #3
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

Thanks Paul, trying to get all my ducks in order for when I get a K cpu
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01 Apr 2013   #4
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

The difference is TCase is the temp in the exact middle of the CPU. I really don't believe there is any software that can read that, unless the motherboard can if one of the pins in the CPU socket is a sensor that measures that. TJ Max is Temp Junction, the temp of the indivdual cores, which is normally much higher than Tcase. Software such as Core Temp and Real Temp can interpret that. Notice I say interpret, as the numbers are usually close but not exact. That's why I agree with Paul. I would never go close to the max. But, Ivy Bridge creates a lot of heat while running stress tests, but it is also pretty tough and can take the heat.
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01 Apr 2013   #5
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Here is a definition from Intel. TCase is the temp measured in the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader)
Processors — Processor operation temperature FAQ
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01 Apr 2013   #6
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

Thank you for the responses
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02 Apr 2013   #7
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

You're welcome, now you can be as confused as me.
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02 Apr 2013   #8
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

Now I find this interesting from the Intel reference:
"TCASE is the temperature measurement using a thermocouple embedded in the center of the heat spreader. This initial measurement is done at the factory. Post-manufacturing, TCASE is is calibrated by the BIOS, through a reading delivered by a diode between and below the cores."

I wasn't aware that in production chips that this sensor was implanted.

I thought that it was the DTS sensor that was available in production units.

"Tjunction is synonymous with core temperatures, and calculated based on the output from the Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) using the formula Tjunction = (Tjunction Max DTS output)."

Yours,
slightly confused
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02 Apr 2013   #9
Golden
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ult. x64
 
 

I've edited the tutorial and replaced TCase with Maximum Operating Temperature, to avoid confusion.
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02 Apr 2013   #10
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Mjf, I have read on the Core Temp forum that the DTS actually does not tell the temp, it tells the distance to TJ Max. I think that makes your last sentence make sense.
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