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27 May 2013   #91
COMPUTIAC

Windows 8.1.1 64bit
 
 

My experience with MIR's

Mail in Rebates look real good when you see them.

The problem comes in when, if, something go's wrong with the purchase.

I recently had to return a GPU to Newegg. It had a $25. MIR, which requires the "Original UPC", not a copy to be sent in with the forms in order to receive the $25. This means, I had to cut the UPC off of the original box.

Now, the problem.

Newegg, as part of the return policy, requires all of the original packaging, including the "Original UPC" to be intact.

Luckily, I did not send in the forms and the UPC to get the $25. rebate when I received the GPU.
If I had, I would have gotten the rebate, but lost the $150. I paid for the GPU and would be stuck with a bad GPU, then what ?

Bottom line, do not shop by a Mail in Rebate alone !


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27 May 2013   #92
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

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alright looks good as long as it still has the mail in rebate when i go to buy it
Damn you lucky son of a gun I didn't even see that deal and it would be the same as buying those cheapies lol good job
haha i would jump on it now, but i dont have the funds.... lol
To bad you don't have anyone you can ask for a fast loan it would be the same thing in the long run just you get it much faster
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27 May 2013   #93
Quadrider10

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

did not know that.....

it has a 2 year warranty anyway tho.
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27 May 2013   #94
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Quadrider10 View Post
did not know that.....

it has a 2 year warranty anyway tho.
lol I thought that was about borrowing lol
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27 May 2013   #95
COMPUTIAC

Windows 8.1.1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Quadrider10 View Post
did not know that.....

it has a 2 year warranty anyway tho.
What I referred to was the 30 day Newegg return policy.

I do not have any experience with a "Manufacturers Warranty" and I have no idea if they require the original UPC and packaging for returns or repairs.

Maybe someone else has.
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27 May 2013   #96
Solarstarshines

Windows 10 Home Premium 64bit sp1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post
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did not know that.....

it has a 2 year warranty anyway tho.
What I referred to was the 30 day Newegg return policy.

I do not have any experience with a "Manufacturers Warranty" and I have no idea if they require the original UPC and packaging for returns or repairs.

Maybe someone else has.
usually mfr warranty you hit the website up contact them about it now some of them want you to produce the receipt of purchase which is Horsesh*t you have the product in your face that is all there is to know right anyway I recommended Corsair because they are pretty good about RMA and don't give you a list to do's in order to get your product replaced
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27 May 2013   #97
COMPUTIAC

Windows 8.1.1 64bit
 
 

I try to be sure to not only print out a paper trail but, also keep a PDF trail so I have a backup.

On the PSU I bought recently, if it is registered online, the warranty becomes a Lifetime warranty. No paper proof though. Hope I never have to use the warranty !
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27 May 2013   #98
TwoCables

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Quadrider10 View Post
alright im board, so looking into a PSU to buy. what do you guys think?

all my specs are on profile, but i do plan to upgrade later on some that i have in mind:

future upgrades maybe:

gtx 660Ti
8 Core FX CPU
500GB HDD
etc etc

i was looking at these:

COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power RS600-PCARE3-US 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Newegg.com
Rosewill Stallion Series RD600 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Newegg.com
Both of those should be avoided. It's not the brand name because when it comes to PSUs, brand names don't mean much; what matters is
what's on the inside.

If you're looking at a GTX 660 Ti, an 8-core AMD FX, a hard drive, etc, then all you need is a good quality-made 400W PSU. Seriously. The GTX 660 Ti doesn't require that much power at all.

I went to Newegg.com and I sorted by PSUs like this: 400W, 450W, 460W, 520W, 550W, 560W, and then I clicked Search. Then I sorted by price Lowest to Highest and here's the lowest price I found on a unit that's safe to recommend. Fortunately, it's a high-end unit:

The 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE Series for $62.98 after shipping


I don't want to sound competitive, but this is a much better PSU than the CX600.

There's also the 550W Rosewill CAPSTONE Series for $79.99 shipped

The next best unit down the list just happens to be the modular version of the 450W Rosewill CAPSTONE for $80.98 after shipping

It keeps getting more and more expensive because the next unit down the line is the 550W SeaSonic G Series for $82.98 after shipping. The 450W model is $88.64 after shipping.

I'd like to keep recommending PSUs that cost more and more, but I don't really know how high you're willing to go being that you chose two PSUs that cost $40 and $50. However, the PSU is an investment. It's not just a part that supplies power; the entire system is depending on it for clean and stable power, and so the quality of the PSU is very important.
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27 May 2013   #99
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

It's been my practice to buy the biggest PSU I can afford, within reason, so I am using around 50%-60% of its rated output on max. You also will have some wiggle room when you do want to upgrade without having to add another PSU to the cost. A bigger one will also let you play what you want or do tasks without worrying about whether or not the PSU will stand up and not overheat.

I checked PSU recommendations for various GTX 650 Ti's and of those which listed a PSU minimum, EVGA and Galaxy, both stated a 450W minimum PSU is recommenced. Another brand, Zotac said 650W.

I do own a Rosewill 500W PSU and it performs as it should.
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28 May 2013   #100
TwoCables

 

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It's been my practice to buy the biggest PSU I can afford, within reason, so I am using around 50%-60% of its rated output on max.
It would be better for the sake of maximum average efficiency if your average PSU load were around 50-60%, not your max load:

On PSU Efficiency

PSU "50% Load" Myth


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You also will have some wiggle room when you do want to upgrade without having to add another PSU to the cost.
With the way things are going, each new generation of CPUs and GPUs requires less power than the previous. In some cases, almost the same, but not more. So it would have to be a pretty big upgrade...


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A bigger one will also let you play what you want or do tasks without worrying about whether or not the PSU will stand up and not overheat.
Good quality-made PSUs like yours and mine, as well as pretty much 90% of the PSUs on the list below, will have absolutely no problem with heat or anything else because they're designed to easily deliver their rated (continuous) wattage 24/7 if it's ever needed. Most of them are rated to do so at an internal PSU temperature of 50°C. A few are rated for 40°C, and even fewer are rated for 30°C:

FAQ: Recommended Power Supplies

The only kind of PSUs you have to worry about for the kind of things you're talking about are PSUs that are generally never recommended by any of the PSU experts (and for good reason). So having a PSU like the HX650 for a system that will never pull more than 300-350W from it is absolutely unnecessary overkill and it reduces your average efficiency to below what's advertised. With your PSU, your system could be set up so that it pulls 500-600W from your PSU while gaming and it would be just fine because it's designed to easily deliver 650W 24/7 if it's ever needed, and it's rated to do so at an internal PSU temperature of 50°C.

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I checked PSU recommendations for various GTX 650 Ti's and of those which listed a PSU minimum, EVGA and Galaxy, both stated a 450W minimum PSU is recommenced. Another brand, Zotac said 650W.

I do own a Rosewill 500W PSU and it performs as it should.
Those recommendations are for peak-rated PSUs, not continuous-rated units like ours (or any of the units on the list of recommended PSUs for that matter).

Take a peak-rated 450W PSU for example. The +12V capacity would be at around 324W, which is 27A. Now, today's systems draw most of their power from the +12V rail because most of the parts in a modern computer run on 12V power. So a peak-rated 450W PSU with a +12V capacity of 324W means that it can likely deliver about 350W continuously, although probably rather poorly because no good quality-made PSU is peak-rated. Either way, having a +12V capacity of 324W means that it could be sold as a 350W continuous-rated PSU just like how the HX650 is sold as a 650W continuous-rated PSU.

Now, I don't know why or how Zotac would recommend a 650W peak-rated PSU to power a system that has one GTX 650 Ti in it because a peak-rated 650W PSU would have a +12V capacity that's no greater than about 480W, or 40A (and that's being slightly generous). There are a few quality-made 520W PSUs on the market that have a +12V capacity of 480W/40A. So, unless Zotac's GTX 650 Ti pulls about 100W more than all other 650 Ti's, that 650W rating has to be for 2-way SLi.

I apologize for all of this, but I know that these posts are publicly accessible without a SevenForums account, and so as long as I'm around, I want to make sure that the information is as accurate and as correct as possible.
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