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Windows 7: So what's the word on upgrading to Haswell???

13 Jun 2013   #71
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

Another vote for Ivy


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13 Jun 2013   #72
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Sygnus, I know you do a lot of graphics work. How much, I don't know. But, the people who do a lot of the heavy duty graphics work claim that Sandy-E will pay for itself rather quickly. From some of the comments I've heard from the heavy graphics people is that sandy-E will do it in extremely time faster than the 2600K or 3770K. And, the CPU you chose will overclock well too, if you need to.
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13 Jun 2013   #73
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

I think he is still going to go socket 2011, I'm guessing his SB vs IB question was just academic.
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13 Jun 2013   #74
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

I agree, Kelly. I just think if he does a lot of graphics work he should go 2011. That's what it's made for.
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13 Jun 2013   #75
kbrady1979

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
I agree, Kelly. I just think if he does a lot of graphics work he should go 2011. That's what it's made for.
Seconded
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13 Jun 2013   #76
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Sygnus, I think you have pretty much decided on Sandy-E, which is an excellent choice. You probably need it too with your graphics work. I think you'll be amazed at what it will do. If Ivy-E comes out before you build, see what the reviews say about it and make that decision then. As far as just a 3770K or a 2600K, I would go with the Ivy. I have both and the Ivy is stronger and tougher, in my opinion. All of the talk that it won't overclock as high is BS. But, it will get hotter if you are running stress tests, but in normal operation, there is no difference. Plus, Ivy with the Z77 has a few chipset advantages such as USB 3.0 which is part of the chipset and PCIe 3.0, which may not make a big difference right now, but may in another year. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Wait... I've just looked a few X79 boards with PCIe 3.0 and native USB 3.0 so what am I missing?

Also, though I may do some slight overclocking, it isn't really the make or break deal for me. Which is also another reason I backed down from the ASUS Rampage IV Extreme.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but from what I gather... the real brute of the CPU's and power users are the Sandy Bridge-E's on a X79 boards?

And one other question: are the Z77 (Ivy Bridge) motherboards better than the X79 motherboards.

I'm doing some research but I'd like to get further feedback.

Thanks.
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13 Jun 2013   #77
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbrady1979 View Post
I think he is still going to go socket 2011, I'm guessing his SB vs IB question was just academic.
No, it wasn't.

Since I haven't been keeping up with the tech, I'd like to get as much information as possible before I make a final decision.

To be honest I picked the Sandy Bridge chip out of blindness. I now need some light shined on the subject. The fact that a few here think I made the right choice is good, but I'd like to get a better feel for what's out there, and what I'm passing up before making the final decision.

I normally do my research in private, but I'm asking you guys for opinions to fill in what I missed by not keeping up on the subject. In short, my knowledge on this matter is limited right now.

Thanks.
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14 Jun 2013   #78
kbrady1979

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
 
 

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@ kbrady1979, if you look through this thread I started, I said I wanted a X79 system, but wanted to know if I should consider Haswell. Seems X79 may be the way to go.
That is what I was going by when I said you had already decided on Sandy Bridge-Extreme. I'm going to bow out of this as I'm just becoming confused.
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14 Jun 2013   #79
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

I'm not sure you are missing anything. I've just looked at some and I believe I was wrong about the PCIe 3.0, it seems they do have that. But, I think I was right about the native USB3.0. A lot of boards come with USB 3.0 but they are add ons. From the Asus Rampage IV Extreme, they use ASMedia USB 3.0 controllers. The Z77 boards, as I understand it, were the first boards out that Intel made USB 3.0 as part of the chipset. That was what I meant by native (part of the chipset and not an add in). They come with 2 sata III ports and 4 sataII ports as part of the chipsets. To increase the number of ports, most use add ons such as asus uses ASMedia, I believe, others use marvell. The X79 boards have 40 lanes of traffic available where the Z77 boards have 24, I think. That helps a lot for multiple GPU or add on cards. I believe I am correct in saying that any add ons are never as good as features supported natively by the chipset. The Haswell chipset comes with 6 SATA III ports native to the board, which can be a big plus if you run multiple SSDs.

The 2011 boards and CPU are enterprise versions and typically have better features than the Z77 boards. Keep in mind, I don't own a 2011 board so am telling you what I 'think' I know about them. Lady Fitzgerald has one and is very up on the feature set. But, i also believe I am correct in saying that the Sandy Bridge-E CPU's are the 'beast' right now.
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14 Jun 2013   #80
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
...The X79 boards have 40 lanes of traffic available where the Z77 boards have 24, I think...
The Z77 boards natively have only 24 lanes (some MOBOs may use a chip to add lanes). According to JJ on a Newegg YouTube video, the Z87 boards have the same number of PCIe lanes as the Z77. The only reason I could get away with a Z77 board with fewer lanes is I wouldn't need an x8 HBA card to get the number of SATA ports I wanted (even then, I would lose two ports over what I have now). Also, the Z87 boards have on board graphics that will support up to three monitors and some even have one or two Thunderbolt ports and built in Wi-Fi and blue tooth.

As nice as the new features are, I don't really need them now that I have my present rig. I don't see Thunderbolt taking off anytime soon (if ever; unless prices for Thunderbolt peripherals come way down, I suspect it may go the way of firewire). I can get ACC Wi-Fi with USB adapters when I eventually need it (by then, they should have some decent USB 3.0 versions out; the present ones are a bit iffy). I don't need Bluetooth. Onboard graphics are nice (especially since, at least with the ASUS MOBOs, the onboard graphics can also be run with a GPU card) but wouldn't be enough to do what I want (two or three monitors and stream to a TV) so I would've needed a GPU card anyways. One good GPU card by itself should be plenty for what I want to do anyways (X79 MOBOs don't have onboard graphics). Then there is the issue of the Haswells running hot. I have enough trouble cooling my i7-3930 in the tiny case I have (upgrading to a larger case is not an option due to space concerns so please don't go there). A hotter CPU I don't need.
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