Haswell may not be a big deal as first thought

paulpicks21 said:

kbrady1979 said:

I read several places where people were buying 3, 4, 5+ Haswell CPU's, testing them and maybe getting 1 out of the lot that was in the top 30% of what is expected. JJ from Asus said he had 3 or 4 and one of them could hit 4.8GHz on water safely. I think you have to be extremely lucky to get a decent overclocker, not to mention a damn good overclocker. Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.

Madness eh Kelly, buying a load of chips to maybe get 1 that can do 4.8 lol

Yeah, the first wave of Haswell CPU's are generally regarded as a disappointment. I don't know if they will get better over time or if it's a characteristic of the architecture/manufacturing process.

I have a real problem with having to de-lid to get temps under control and this is what I may be faced with my Ivy rig. How do you short cut the thermal solution on the chips.....you build in throttling ! Wrong Intel..... but I guess the PC and us rig building nuts are going the way of the dinosaurs into the world of hand held devices....kicking and screaming !

Someone see it differently?

paulpicks21 said:

This was an article I posted on here a while back - Haswell heat surprises system builders | bit-tech.net


I found this bit interesting -

"One manufacturer claims that pre-release chips marked as 3.5GHz parts were tested completely stably at 4.8GHz, but of the 40-50 retail units the company has tested not a single one has managed to reach above 4.2GHz without hitting unsafe temperatures or requiring too-high levels of voltage. Another firm has stated that it has had to drop plans to offer pre-overclocked Haswell systems running at 4.5GHz - a figure, again, planned based on engineering work carried out on pre-production samples provided by Intel - to 4.3GHz in order to ensure stability. 'There is a big difference in the overclocking potential between early Haswell samples and retail,' the unnamed manufacturer claimed."

Tek Syndicate covered that and the sad part it Throttles on prime cinebench but doesn't while gaming and Logan also said it's Hotter then Hell

If I do go Intel it probably would be last Generation now Intel gets to hear it because they might be better in some cases but I don't want my house to burn down over it

kbrady1979 said:

paulpicks21 said:

kbrady1979 said:

I read several places where people were buying 3, 4, 5+ Haswell CPU's, testing them and maybe getting 1 out of the lot that was in the top 30% of what is expected. JJ from Asus said he had 3 or 4 and one of them could hit 4.8GHz on water safely. I think you have to be extremely lucky to get a decent overclocker, not to mention a damn good overclocker. Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.

Madness eh Kelly, buying a load of chips to maybe get 1 that can do 4.8 lol

Yeah, the first wave of Haswell CPU's are generally regarded as a disappointment. I don't know if they will get better over time or if it's a characteristic of the architecture/manufacturing process.

Honestly this is going to tank Intel if they keep making Super heated chips I mean the power saving is fine but in reality what are you saving ?

Let me clear up what I mean by tank don't want to rile everyone up I mean slowly if this keeps going on people are going to turn to AMD even though it isn't performing like people hope

you know if the guys on Tek Syndicate tells you it's hotter then AMD then holly cow Batman that is not good I was so gung ho now im like mouth open jaw dropped

Haswell has thermal barrier issues. It is fine, you bump the multiplier up or voltage up until you hit the limit of the chip and then BAM, it just goes berserk. No rhyme or reason, but the chips just have a very thin line that up to the line they are fine, but just on the other side, they go nuts. Like I said earlier, it may be early production issues with the actual FAB process. Ivy Bridge CPU's definitely got better after they got the process down and had a few million chips under their belt.

m4paws said:

kbrady1979 said:

Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.

I'm really happy you said this. I recently finished a new build with an i7-3770k and was wondering if I'd made a mistake and should have got the Haswell chip instead.

Nope, no mistake there. Ivy Bridge is still one of the best platforms to build off of in my opinion.

kbrady1979 said:

m4paws said:

kbrady1979 said:

Ivy Bridge is still a great platform and has more processing power @ stock speeds than most people will ever need.

I'm really happy you said this. I recently finished a new build with an i7-3770k and was wondering if I'd made a mistake and should have got the Haswell chip instead.

Nope, no mistake there. Ivy Bridge is still one of the best platforms to build off of in my opinion.

Yeah well seems Ivy would be the choice i'm in no rush about it now

I'll start looking at some Z77 boards soon I just need the CPU ,MB new Ram Possible new cooler

Guess im canceling my order for the haswell