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23 Oct 2013   #21
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

It really does seem to be. I agree. So, I guess that means you're going water Jack. Good luck to you. I've wanted to get away from it, but the cooling it provides makes that difficult, especially where I live. I'm seriously considering it. The case has some seriously great features, if it was built right. One more thing I like about it. It is put together with screws and not Rivets which means it would be easy to mod if you needed to. Also, if you need space for a GPU and remove the reservoir bracket, there is a place for it on the outside rear of the case. Personally, I would rather have mine on the outside. Think of the options.


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23 Oct 2013   #22
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
Layback, if you are considering the Cosmos, you are obviously considering water cooling. Don't get me wrong, the Cosmos is an excellent case. I considered it myself. Having said that, there are cases out with better options for water cooling. One being the fairly new release of the Corsair 900D. It is an extremely large case and very heavy too. But amazing builds can be done in them. I sincerely doubt there is a product on the market that you would have to ask whether it will fit the case. Reading some consumer reviews, there are some complaints about the quality of the case. Nothing that can't be easily fixed, but there are some. Another case that has caught my attention has been released in the past couple of days. It looks to be amazing and very configurable. It is the Phanteks Enthoo Series Primo. Watch the video (there are several one after the other.) and read some reviews on it. It seems that they have built a case made for water coolers. It even has a bracket to hold the reservoir and a place to put the pump already laid out. The PSU goes in the rear of the case which should make cable management very easy. The only drawback I can notice is the max length of video cards is 10.1" But, that is with the Reservoir bracket installed. Without the bracket you can go to a 12+" video card. Personally, I don't see the problem with that. It just means that if you have a long GPU, you are exactly where you would be with any other case. Put it where you can find space, but it also shows the forethought that went into the case. I would like to see some user reviews first, but with what I've seen, I don't see how you can think about serious water cooling and not consider this case.

EDIT: Not to speak of the fact that it is $100 cheaper.
Steve, regarding the Phanteks box - who needs 5 External 5.25" Drive Bays and what does one do with them anyhow. Doesn't that make the box unneccesarily bulky.
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23 Oct 2013   #23
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

I use mine, for several reasons and they give you options. Plus any time you are putting several water cooling radiators in a computer, it is necessary for it to be large and bulky. Yes, you can get by with less 5.25" bays, but I have 4 in my case right now and could use another. It just depends on how you set your case up and what you want to do with it.
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23 Oct 2013   #24
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I also like the screws. To me their are many option to place the cooling system reservoir. With the data size of hard drives removing a drive bay shouldn't be a problem. You still have a lot of drive space internal and external drive bays is something I don't use. I back up to internal drives and so desired when done just remove them and store else where. Removing a internal drive takes about 2 minutes.
The filter system is just the best I have seen and the bottom ones coming out the side is a plus.
To me the big plus is you can do anything you want to do.
Great air cooling in several ways and water cooling radiator placement choices. Their are just so many choices.
When I build a computer I always start with choosing a care/tower. The next thing is the power supply.
I have chosen the Corsair AX-1200i. I don't like the price but everything else is great. All the reviews I found had nothing but praise except the price.
With that case/tower and power supply it's as close to being future proof as one can get for those items.
I haven't chose the CPU yet because I understand that Intel is coming out with a new one that isn't a Haswell but I don't know what and when.
I'm not building a gaming computer or work station ect.
I want one I can do what ever I want to do or change.
Their will come a time when money or lack of stops my dreams but with that combination of case/tower and power supply I will be able to add anything at a later date.
I'm a virgin or at least young and dumb when it comes to water cooling part selection so I surly will need a lot of help in that area.
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23 Oct 2013   #25
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

I agree with everything you said, Layback and I would be happy to help as much as I can. I use water cooling now, but am far from an expert. Right now I have a 360mm rad up top and am adding at least a 240, To do that I had to remove 3 hard drive bays and have no place to put a pump and reservoir. So, I'm relegated to using a dual 5.25" bay reservoir which is a PITA. This case could solve all those problems and then some. It affords the option to set it up almost any way you would like to. The extra 5.25" bays could become hard drive bays or even hot swap drive bays. As it stands, I'm having to use large capacity hard drives, which are much more prone to failure than smaller drives. So, a case like this could solve several problems without issue. It is smaller than the Cosmos II and the 900D, which to me are it's only competition right now, unless you want to spend a small fortune on a Mountain Mods, Silverstone, or Case Labs case. And it is about $100 cheaper than the Cosmos or 900D. If you do water cooling it's hard to turn down.
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23 Oct 2013   #26
whs
Microsoft MVP

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You guys are awsome. I wish I could see better. Then I would attempt a build myself. Now I am stuck with what's on the market and even for adding SSDs I need the help of my wife.

Just had my cataract fixed. That helps a bit but it does not make me an eagle.
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23 Oct 2013   #27
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Then you could join the Seven Forums overclocking club, WHS. I'm sure you could find someone to build it for you. Heck, I'd do it if we lived just a little closer. But, you're in the rich part of Florida. I'm in the poor end of the state. LOL. But, picking your own parts and setting it up the way you like it, is worth the trouble. Besides, it's fun but can be very habit forming.
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23 Oct 2013   #28
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Well I hope your sight gets better whs.
Part of the fun/work of building your own system is doing the research. I have been looking over a month at cases and the proper wanted power supply. How I missed the Phanteks case is unknown to me.
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23 Oct 2013   #29
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
...Steve, regarding the Phanteks box - who needs 5 External 5.25" Drive Bays and what does one do with them anyhow. Doesn't that make the box unneccesarily bulky.
In my case, I have three 5.25" bays and wish I had one or two more. The top one is the not-so-ubiquitous-anymore optical drive that I consider to be essential (I rip a lot). Under it is an internal card reader/additional USB 3.0 ports. The bottom bay is where I put my 3.5" internal HDD dock that use for backups. I would have needed another bay for a 2.5" internal HDD dock but, fortunately, there is one already built into my case (an Antec Two Hundred; a midget compared to the leviathans being discussed here). I wouldn't mind having a bay to put a fan controller and temperature monitor into and another bay for a little drawer for keeping USB sticks, etc. in. Alas, cases small enough to fit where I keep my computer just will not have that many 5.25" bays unless I sacrifice internal 3.5" HHD bays, something I was loath to do.

I've seen water cooling reservoirs that reside in one or two 5.25" bays so one can easily see the coolant level without opening up the case. Some even had the capability to be filled from the front. Some people have controllers for the LED case lighting housed in a 5.25" bay. Some MOBOs, such as some of the Asus ROGs come with an external device for controlling overclocks, etc. that can also be housed in a 5.25" bay. Some people like to have all their HDDs easily accessible for replacement without having to open up the case, especially when running a RAID and 5.25" bays are ideal for putting docks into (I've seen some cases that had nothing but 5.25" bays in them for that reason). I'm sure I've missed plenty of other uses for 5.25" bays.

I also hope your eyesight continues to improve. My Mama had to have cataracts removed from both her eyes and it helped her immensely.
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23 Oct 2013   #30
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Well I hope your sight gets better whs.
Part of the fun/work of building your own system is doing the research. I have been looking over a month at cases and the proper wanted power supply. How I missed the Phanteks case is unknown to me.
The reason you missed it is probably because it was only released on 10/17. I heard some discussions about it on Overclock.net, so I looked it up. I stopped my build right away. It really isn't a new build, I'm just moving my rig from my HAF X to a NZXT Switch 810, and adding some stuff like another radiator to it. I was going to add another GPU to it also, but that can wait now. What I have will do most anything anyway. Like I say, it's an addiction.
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