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Windows 7: Advice on a new Intel build, please

08 Mar 2015   #1
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 
Advice on a new Intel build, please

I have an FX-8350 8-core that I'm pretty happy with, but I'm not happy with the memory and hard disk performance of my motherboard, not to mention the graphics lane only being PCIe 2.0. I could replace my mobo, but I really wouldn't gain anything in terms of memory performance as it's a limitation of the CPU. I use my machine for gaming and rendering graphics, and I need some horsepower for that. Recent benchmarks have shown me that an Intel rig runs circles around mine, even with a 10% OC.

So I'm thinking of buying an Intel mobo and CPU, but I don't know where to start. There's a dizzying array of choices out there, so I thought I would ask you guys what you think.

My budget is around $700 CDN and I'd like something around the 3.5 - 4 GHz mark in a quad core, with Hyperthreading. I know nothing about Intel CPUs beyond that. I can do the research myself, but I don't know the merits of a Haswell, Ivy Bridge, or Devil's Canyon CPU, or what I should choose between them all.

Any advice you guys can give would be greatly appreciated.


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08 Mar 2015   #2
ignatzatsonic

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How soon do you need to do this?

Intel will be introducing a new CPU line later this year. It's called "Skylake" and will require a new socket 1151 motherboard that is NOT compatible with current CPUs. It will likely use DDR4 RAM. Further details not yet known.

Intel is also introducing a "Broadwell" line, but it appears to be mostly targeted at the mobile segment, not desktops. I think some Broadwell laptops are already available.

For a desktop, you'd most likely want to go with Haswell, Devil's Canyon, or Skylake.

Or the Xeon line. I think all of them support hyperthreading, but I don't know much about them.

Here's some candidates, all i7 hyperthreading quad cores, excluding Xeon and the upcoming Skylakes. All of these would use a socket 1150 motherboard.

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors - Desktops, Intel, LGA 2011, LGA 2011-v3, Quad-Core, LGA 1150, Core i7 - Newegg.com

The 4790K is by far the highest clocked--4.0 without overclocking.

Here's a list of Xeons, between $200 and $400. They use various motherboard sockets.

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Intel, $300 - $400, $200 - $300, Newegg, xeon - Newegg.com

You want to spend $700 Canadian. I think that's around $550 US, a fairly low budget.

From what Canadian vendor?

How many of these parts will you need to buy with that $700?

Case
CPU
Motherboard
Power supply
Video card
RAM
CPU cooler (the CPU will come with an Intel cooler, but you may want to replace it if overclocking)
HDD
SSD
Operating system
Monitor
Optical disk drive

Lastly: do you have overclocking intentions?
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08 Mar 2015   #3
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
How soon do you need to do this?
Within the next 6 months to a year.

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You want to spend $700 Canadian. I think that's around $550 US, a fairly low budget.
I'm only planning on replacing the CPU and motherboard for now, unless I require DDR4 RAM, then my budget will go up accordingly. I figured around $400 for the CPU and <$300 for the mobo. If the Canadian dollar strengthens, then my budget buys better components.

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From what Canadian vendor?
Newegg.ca or NCIX.com. Possibly Tiger Direct.

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How many of these parts will you need to buy with that $700?
I'll only need the CPU and motherboard. I have everything else.

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Lastly: do you have overclocking intentions?
I hadn't planned on it, but if the unlocked version of a processor is only a few dollars more than the locked version, then I'll go for it. It would be nice to have the option.
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08 Mar 2015   #4
ignatzatsonic

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My first idea would be to get a 4790K if you can't wait for Skylake.

4.0 clockspeed, hyperthreading, overclockable. It will likely be several years before its performance would be surpassed in any significant way.

I'm going to build myself but have decided to wait for Skylake. Right now, it's all speculation as to what the CPU lineup and performance will be, but no one is expecting anything earth-shaking---more of a continued evolution, with performance per clock going up maybe 8 to 12 percent on average when compared to current processors. Probably some new added features on the new chipset.

The standard full power Skylakes should be 95 watt and will be in the "Skylake S" series. There will be lower wattage models as well. It's not clear, but the overclockable K models may not be out until 2016. The latest Intel roadmaps are in dispute.

So, it's mainly a matter of how long you are willing to wait. Even if you do wait, the 4790K would still be highly respectable and I'd think you could do pretty will with $700 Canadian if you only need CPU and motherboard.

Go to NCIX or Newegg Canada and see what you can find for those 2 pieces at that price. You'd need a Z97 socket 1150 motherboard, but not a highly expensive one.

Maybe someone else can comment on the Xeon processors. I know they work very well for some use cases.
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08 Mar 2015   #5
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

I just looked at Newegg Canada.

The 4790K is 395 plus 6 shipping.

Here's the Xeon list, beginning at $260. All are socket 1150 and quad core:

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Processors - Servers, LGA 1150, xeon processor - Newegg.ca

Here's their list of 23 different Z97 socket 1150 motherboards from Asus, Asrock, and Gigabyte; all ATX or micro ATX. All priced between 200 and 300 to keep you at no more than 700 total:

Computer Hardware, Motherboards, Intel Motherboards, GIGABYTE, ASRock, ASUS, LGA 1150, Intel Z97, ATX, Micro ATX, $200 - $300 - Newegg.ca
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12 Mar 2015   #6
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Thanks for the info. I'm starting to fill my piggy bank.
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28 Mar 2015   #7
essenbe

Windows 7 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Enterprise X64/Windows 10 Pro X64/Linux Mint
 
 

ignatzatsonic has given some great advice. I think it depends on how much video editing you do. If you only do a little, I would go with the 4790K or wait for Skylake, preferably the latter. If you do a lot of editing and rendering I would look at the 2011-3 CPUs. They will make a big difference in video editing. I just went with a 5930K and the only thing that will use all the cores is Handbrake. But it will render a video in less than half the time of my 3770K at 5 GHz. But, I don't think you will touch one for $700. So, it just depends on what you are using it for. A 4790K will do a good job and do anything my 5930K will do. It just won't do it as fast. But, you will have the pleasure of paying for that speed.
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28 Mar 2015   #8
AddRAM

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28 Mar 2015   #9
Mellon Head

Win 7 Pro x64/Win 10 Pro x64 dual boot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
ignatzatsonic has given some great advice. I think it depends on how much video editing you do. If you only do a little, I would go with the 4790K or wait for Skylake, preferably the latter. If you do a lot of editing and rendering I would look at the 2011-3 CPUs. They will make a big difference in video editing. I just went with a 5930K and the only thing that will use all the cores is Handbrake. But it will render a video in less than half the time of my 3770K at 5 GHz. But, I don't think you will touch one for $700. So, it just depends on what you are using it for. A 4790K will do a good job and do anything my 5930K will do. It just won't do it as fast. But, you will have the pleasure of paying for that speed.
I'm currently saving up some cash for the purchase, and if Skylake CPUs come out before I'm done, I'll get one of those. Otherwise it will be the 4790K. I don't do a lot of video editing, but when I do it, it's nice to have some power to get it done quickly. The bottom line is that my AMD isn't cutting it, and I have to look for a better solution.

I like those Sabertooth motherboards. The only problem with them, and a lot of the Z97 mobos is that the PCIe x16 slots only work in x8x8 when you plug two video cards in. I may want to Crossfire a pair of cards in the future and I would like the full speed and bus of x16 in both slots.

I've been looking specifically at this one:

ASUS Z97-PRO LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.ca

It seems to do everything I'm looking for.
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29 Mar 2015   #10
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Good point, I hope it`s true. But the specs at Asus don`t actually say dual x16.

Motherboards - Z97-PRO - ASUS

Does it having a bearing on FPS

I would imagine it does, but who knows.

I`m gonna contact Asus on that.
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