New replacement computer fan reads 0rpm

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  1. Posts : 252
    Windows 7 Pro x64
       #1

    New replacement computer fan reads 0rpm


    When I ordered a replacement fan after my old one died with a scream of death (blades locked and wouldn't budge)

    The new (package of 3) 40mm 12v fans arrived but they had about 8-10 blades instead of the 7 in the picture and title
    Also when turning off they make a plasticy grindy noise when they're about to stop even though they are super quiet when actually running

    They also dont have a very high speed and vibrate quite a bit (bad magnetic field proportions?) Even at twice their rated speed and voltage they barely blow a feather around yet vibrate wildly (Dont know how they can survive that)

    And they dont have an RPM reading at all. 3rd (tach) wire is there but computer doesnt register any RPM in bios or with speedfan.
    They do spin though.

    I've tried using a combination of resistors and/or capacitors to create my own "tach" signal but it still doesn't seem to do anything. Still reports 0 RPM and that causes my computer to make a 2nd beep on startup. (Covered beeper with a dab of hot glue since it's ear piercingly loud)

    Did I get a batch of reject fans possibly? They have thin poorly constructed blades with a number of physical defects (Factory molded plastic bits here and there)

    What would you recommend if I should return these for something else?

    The fan is "enough" to cool my CPU but just that alone. (5W CPU with integrated graphics)
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  2. Posts : 757
    Win10 Pro 64-bit
       #2

    No offense intended but they do sound like junk to me. A good fan is quiet, doesn't vibrate excessively and has decent construction quality... oh, and the tach sensors work properly.
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  3. Posts : 20,583
    Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
       #3

    Hi,
    Can you post a link to what you bought ?

    Might be time for a new cpu cooler
    I'm sure by now new thermal paste is needed.

    If you want to really get adventurous
    Modifing old desktop machine in new case
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  4. Posts : 241
    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8.1 Pro, Linux Mint/Cinnimon (Triple Boot)
       #4

    realflow100 said:

    And they dont have an RPM reading at all. 3rd (tach) wire is there but computer doesnt register any RPM in bios or with speedfan.
    They do spin though.

    (5W CPU with integrated graphics)
    Do you have any spare functional fans to test them against? You could try swapping out one brand for another. That way you would know for sure if it was the fault of the fan or... something other.
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  5. Posts : 252
    Windows 7 Pro x64
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Yeah I have a functioning 120mm 2000RPM Case Fan
    Speed flucates very little at about 1,700-ish when at full power.. Very good bearings with no defects. Tach reads perfectly except at extremely low speeds

    (I saw 16,000RPM as the max speed when it was only going a few hundred rpm in reality) Though it still functions fine. And very silently at 1,000RPM or so.

    (Using a custom built fan controller with a 125W darlington transistor and 1K resistor and a potentiometer as voltage divider) A bit overkill of a transistor rating but it was only 1$ for a set of two PNP and two NPN's
    To control the speed quickly and as precisely as i need.

    No tach reading at all from the chinese fans though.. Not even 1 of them out of the three. They all work. although poorly. Fan speed adjusts properly even though there is no tach reading (0RPM no matter what)

    Even If I gave you the link to the amazon page it'd be incorrect as i've gotten a 9 blade 3-pin fan instead of a 7 blade 3 pin fan that was advertised.

    And they seem to be really poorly made. Poor material poor construction poor quality. Barely the minimum to work. Only a few visible resistors and single chip on them. (They dont start spinning till over 5v) And they seem to have no trouble running at twice their rated speed for hours without even getting a faint bit warm.

    (And still only blowing half what my original computer fan did at half its rated speed!) And these are all 40mm PC Fans. I'll see if i can find the closest picture i can.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sCw_nHPOfSo/hqdefault.jpg

    http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/...Pdo/s-l225.jpg

    It looks nearly identical to these two fans

    CPU heatsink is clipped on with 2 metal "hooks" like a northbridge heatsink.. Very small! Probably nothing to upgrade it to.
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  6. Posts : 20,583
    Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
       #6

    With only 3 pins it would be running full speed
    Why didn't you get 4 pin PWM fans if you wanted a bios reading it's what you had I'm sure ?
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  7. Posts : 252
    Windows 7 Pro x64
    Thread Starter
       #7

    My computer doesn't have any 4pin fan headers. Only a single 3pin header (Walmart acer computer)
    Speedfan is used to adjust the fan control

    On boot and at bios or desktop without any speedfan settings it runs at 45% unless I use speedfan to change it

    Speedfan correctly controls the speed of either fan. Even though the 40mm fan has no rpm reading it still changes speed to whatever i set. Though it barely blows any air regardless of its actual speed and barely compares to the original fan that came with the computer

    It has correct readings for my 3pin 120mm case fan on windows and in the bios

    but none of the 3pin 40mm fans have any reading in bios or windows
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  8. Posts : 20,583
    Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
       #8

    I doubt very seriously Acer made a mobo without 4 pin ports sold by Walmart or not.
    Take a close up picture of the mobo.
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  9. Posts : 252
    Windows 7 Pro x64
    Thread Starter
       #9

    heres a few of the best screenshots I can find so far

    https://i.imgur.com/j9Yh7De.jpg

    http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...7.jpg~original

    http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/cjUAAOSw9mFWGwTC/$_1.JPG?set_id=880000500F

    If you look online its possible you might finder a higher res picture but there literally is zero 4pin fan headers. Only a singular 3pin CPU fan header (Normally under load or not the original fan barely makes a peep and still keeps it cool)
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  10. Posts : 20,583
    Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
       #10

    Show this portion
    New replacement computer fan reads 0rpm-part.jpg
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