| Windows 7: Images & switching AHCI to IDE |
18 Dec 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
Images & switching AHCI to IDE I'm think of "permanently" switching my onboard sata mode from [AHCI] to [Native IDE].
What effect is this likely to have on Windows and Macrium Images old & new???
That is Old image made with [AHCI] setting reimage to [Native IDE] setting
Old image made with [Native IDE] setting reimage to [AHCI] setting - if I I ever switched back from Native IDE to AHCI. | My System Specs |
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18 Dec 2010
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#2 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Osceola, WI |
I'm curious why you would want to do that; everything I've read says AHCI out-performs IDE.
I certainly wouldn't do it but it's your machine. You know something I don't? Please share
In any case, I don't think Macrium knows or cares which interface you are using.
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18 Dec 2010
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#3 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
I asked a related question elsewhere (Hardware?) and the one respondent much preferred IDE (for sata mode) for their SSD.
I considered IDE sata mode was a backward step initially. But driver updates wouldn't stop Windows device manager seeing the Sata HDD & DVD as Scsi. Generally not a problem but the odd program wouldn't see the drive:
- Seatools wouldn't see a Seagate sata HDD
- Hirens boot CD wouldn't see it.
Changed to Native IDE mode and windows sees HDD & DVD as ATA devices. Above programs now work fine.
What about speed? CrystalDiskMark benchmarked sequential reads better. Informal testing suggested better speed performance!
So that's why I changed. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
18 Dec 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by rap33042 I'm curious why you would want to do that; everything I've read says AHCI out-performs IDE.
I certainly wouldn't do it but it's your machine. You know something I don't? Please share  Agreed. Please let us know why we need to go backwards? 
Quote: Originally Posted by mjf I asked a related question elsewhere (Hardware?) and the one respondent much preferred IDE (for sata mode) for their SSD. Why? How? Only one respondant?
Honestly if you're going to base this decision on one respondant, you haven't done enough research.
- AHCI vs IDE
- Google - AHCI vs IDE
Just trying to help | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
18 Dec 2010
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Does IDE support TRIM for your SSD? I would think that important. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built (GeneO industries)/Model 3 OS Windows 7 64 bit SP1 CPU i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, 1.264V 124 GFlop (IBT with AVX) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4GBx4) 1600MHz G.skill Ripjaws X 8-8-8-24 Graphics Card MSI GTX 660 Ti PE/OC, 2GB 7160 MHz DDR5 clock, 1228 Mhz Core Sound Card Onboard Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays NEC Spectraview 2490WUXi-SV Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard HP Wireless Mouse HP wireless PSU Seasonic X-850 (2012 KM3 model) Case Fractal Design "Define R3" Cooling CM TPC 812 push/pull, 3 120mm, 2 TY-140 case fans Hard Drives Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (System), Crucial 128GB M4 SSD, 2x WD Caviar 1TB Black internal (data), 1x WD Blue 6Gb/s 1TB Internal, 1x 2TB eSata WD20EARS Green, 2x 500GB Seagate external USB, 1x 350GB exte Internet Speed 27.8 Mb/s down, 5.6 Mb/s up Other Info USB 3.0 x4 , SATA III x4, eSATA x3, SATA II x4, USB 2.0 x8. 2 Samsung DVD R/W drives.
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18 Dec 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |

Quote: Originally Posted by GeneO Does IDE support TRIM for your SSD? I would think that important. Good point. Again, this is where the research comes in | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
18 Dec 2010
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#7 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |

Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 
Quote: Originally Posted by rap33042 I'm curious why you would want to do that; everything I've read says AHCI out-performs IDE.
I certainly wouldn't do it but it's your machine. You know something I don't? Please share  Agreed. Please let us know why we need to go backwards? 
Quote: Originally Posted by mjf I asked a related question elsewhere (Hardware?) and the one respondent much preferred IDE (for sata mode) for their SSD. Why? How? Only one respondant?
Honestly if you're going to base this decision on one respondant, you haven't done enough research.
- AHCI vs IDE
- Google - AHCI vs IDE
Just trying to help  No although I appreciated the respondent's comment, it wasn't the basis of my decision. I did research the topic and there were pros and cons - hot swapping, trim etc, etc.
I have seen a number of people asking - why does windows see my sata as a scsi? I haven't seen any acceptable answer. Windows claimed my drivers were the best for the situation.
I'm running a conventional HDD (not an SSD) and the benefits appear to outweigh the negatives. I'm taking a pragmatic approach at this stage and I can swap the BIOS back to AHCI if and when I want to.
GeneO,
I'm not running an SSD so is trim important?
I'm not that strong in this area and your comments are more than welcome - thanks. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
18 Dec 2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |
Well as long as you do the reseach which allows you to make an informed decision that's all that matters.
Good luck. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts |
18 Dec 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
sygnus21,
I had actually read your first reference before. I didn't find the gains reported that compelling. I'm using Nvidia controllers and a Seagate Baracuda 1TB.
I'll follow up with the numbers I got on my informal test results in case anyone is interested. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
18 Dec 2010
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Hampton VA |
Yeah from my unscientific research I didn't see much of a gain either, but I also saw no loss or problems so I use it by default. From this point I see no reason to go back to IDE unless I have an issue preventing me from using ACHI. That's me though.
Good luck on your decision. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built by me OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-950 (3.06GHz) OC to 3.8GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 rev 1, F6 Bios Memory 12 gig Corsair DDR3 Dominator GT Memory (3X 4GB) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD6950 2gig (Sapphire) Sound Card Soundblaster ZXR Monitor(s) Displays HP ZR22w 22" LCD Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Logitech Wireless Wave Mouse Logitech Performance MX PSU Antec Signature - SG-850 Case Cooler Master HAF X Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 Hard Drives Primary - OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (256GB). Storage - OCZ Vertex 2 SSD (120GB), 2TB WD Caviar Black. Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Memory Timings - 1600MHz @ 8-8-8-20-1T @ 1.640 volts Images & switching AHCI to IDE problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:21 AM. | |