| Windows 7: No page file should be faster? |
27 Jun 2009
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#11 | | Windows 7 x64 South Yorkshire, England |
In the words of Mark Russinovich, no real benefit from disabling it. Quote: Some feel having no paging file results in better performance, but in general, having a paging file means Windows can write pages on the modified list (which represent pages that aren’t being accessed actively but have not been saved to disk) out to the paging file, thus making that memory available for more useful purposes (processes or file cache). So while there may be some workloads that perform better with no paging file, in general having one will mean more usable memory being available to the system (never mind that Windows won’t be able to write kernel crash dumps without a paging file sized large enough to hold them). Mark's Blog : Pushing the Limits of Windows: Virtual Memory | My System Specs |
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28 Jun 2009
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#12 | | Windows® 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Payson/AZ |
Disabling pagefile created a HUGE drop in gaming perf. I tried disabling pagefile on my system a immediately saw a HUGE drop in systems & gaming performance!
I did a number of tests to confirm this!
This was using 7232 64bit with 4gigs of ram too.
So for me & my system's setup I use 8gbs of page file on the front partition of my second drive away from the OS disk & get Great performance this way! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number ABS Tech Ultimate X9 OS Windows® 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (E0) @ 4.0GHz Motherboard ASUS P5Q Pro Turbo / 1780 FSB Memory G.SKILL-F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK (2x2Gbs) (5-5-5-15) @ 1067Mhz Graphics Card EVGA GTX 470 SC (845/1690/2000) 160Gbs Sound Card VIA HD Audio / Boston Acoustics Monitor(s) Displays Acer X222W HD 22" LCD 2500:1 / 5ms Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (Old Style Blue!) Mouse Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse PSU Silent Pro GOLD 80 PLUS 800w /95% efficiency / SLI-Crossfire Case ABS Stealth Black-Custom Cooling CoolerMaster V6GT 6 Heatpipe 200w CPU Cooler Hard Drives Seagate Barracuda SATAII 2 x 320GB
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28 Jun 2009
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#13 | | |
This topic has been beaten to death time and time again in numerous forums over the years...
Virtual memory will ALWAYS be a part of Windows no matter what. There's absolutely nothing to gain by disabling it. Many apps and games will insist on having a pagefile, let alone Windows. If you have lots of RAM, but are unwilling to sacrifice several gigs of disk space for the pagefile, allocate a minimum of 512mb and forget about it. The pagefile shouldn't be any larger than 4096mb. Anything over this amount is just a waste, IMO. | My System Specs | | OS XPSP3, Se7en RTM CPU AMD Athlon XP 2600+ @ 2.30GHz Motherboard GA-7N400S-L; nForce2 Ultra400R Memory Corsair VS 1x1024MB400 + 2x512MB400 DDR Graphics Card nVIDIA GeForce 6600 AGP8X 128-bit, 256mb Sound Card Onboard nVIDIA MCP2-S dolby digital; Realtek ALC655 Screen Resolution 1024x768 Keyboard Standard Mouse PS/2 optical mouse PSU Generic 450W (12V~18A) Cooling CPU stock cooling, 3 case fans Hard Drives 2x80GB ATA-100, 1x200GB ATA-100 Internet Speed 2048/512 |
01 Jul 2009
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#14 | | |
Well, Windows 7 allocated 36GB for my page file, so I think I'll set a max of 4GB lol
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01 Jul 2009
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#15 | | win7 ultimate / virtual box weston super mare, UK |
you will need your "paging file" enabled if you need to debug any crashes such as computer stops unexpectedly because of a Stop error "blue screen," system crash, or bug check | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number built my own OS win7 ultimate / virtual box CPU Intel Core i7 3770K,1155, Ivy Bridge Motherboard MSI Z77A-G43 Memory GSkill Ripjaws Z Series 1600 CL 9.0 16GB Graphics Card KFA2 GeForce GTX 670 EX OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-E gfx card Sound Card onboard Nvidia HDMI audio Monitor(s) Displays ASUS VK222H 22" widescreen LCD monitor Screen Resolution 1680x1050 Keyboard logitech Mouse logitech MX518 PSU Corsair HX 750W ATX2.2 Modular Cooling Antec 25 Kuhler H2O 620 Hard Drives Kingston 128gb SSD
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01 Jul 2009
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Yeah, but that would never happen to me | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number MacPro3,1 OS Snow Leopard (10.6.1) CPU Dual Quad Core X5472 @ 3.0GHz, 1.6GHz FSB, 12MB L2 Cache Memory 18GB DDR2 800MHz Graphics Card NVidia GeForce GTX 285 1GB DDR3 Sound Card Intel High Definition Audio (Built In) Monitor(s) Displays 23" Apple Cinema HD Display Screen Resolution 1920x1200 Keyboard Apple Keyboard Mouse Apple Mighty Mouse Hard Drives 1x 320GB, 1x 1TB, 1x TB EXT, and soon X25-M G2 320GB, and Intel X25-M G2 160GB Internet Speed High Speed Cable Other Info Running Parallels 4.0 w/ Windows XP Pro 32-BIT, Windows Vista Ultimate 32-BIT, and linked to Windows 7 64-BIT on Boot Camp.
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01 Jul 2009
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#17 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by steelbom Well, Windows 7 allocated 36GB for my page file, so I think I'll set a max of 4GB lol
Kind Regards .
That's remarkable. How did you determine that 36 gigs was allocated just to the page file? Did that happen using the "Automatically manage page file for all drives" setting? LOL is right | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 x64 CPU Athlon ii x4 620 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2P Memory 4 GB Graphics Card Geforce 9600 512meg Sound Card Xonar DS Hard Drives Hitachi Deskstar 1 tb |
01 Jul 2009
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#18 | | Windows 7 Ultimate, Ubuntu Adelaide, Australia |
I just want to bump Frostbite's post quoting Technet Guru, MS Engineer, and MS Front-end for the public face of their architecture - Mark Russinovich.
The blog post is: Pushing the Limits of Windows: Virtual Memory and the Sub Heading is How Big Should I Make the Paging File? Quote: Some feel having no paging file results in better performance, but in general, having a paging file means Windows can write pages on the modified list (which represent pages that aren’t being accessed actively but have not been saved to disk) out to the paging file, thus making that memory available for more useful purposes (processes or file cache). So while there may be some workloads that perform better with no paging file, in general having one will mean more usable memory being available to the system (never mind that Windows won’t be able to write kernel crash dumps without a paging file sized large enough to hold them). In the Comments one of the Engineers involved in setting pagefile size for Vista further explains: Quote: Configuring a system with lots of RAM to run without pagefile may have either negative or positive perf impact depending on what the system is doing. The general recommendation in this case is to create a reasonably sized pagefile (for example, 4 GB) and increase it if the Paging file\% Usage counter gets close to 100%. and Quote: By the way, there are actually 2 separate reasons why pagefiles are necessary.
The first reason is to allow dirty pages that are never (or very rarely) referenced to be moved to disk, freeing up more RAM for other purposes.
The other reason is to enable better use of *virtual* memory, given that physical memory is allocated on demand. Remember that when a process calls VirtualAlloc(MEM_COMMIT) there are no physical pages allocated at this time. Physical pages are only allocated when the app accesses virtual pages for the first time. This is good because it makes committing pages a relatively cheap operation, so apps can commit memory in bigger chunks, without having to worry about each page they may or may not use.
Now, even though committing memory does not allocate physical pages, it still guarantees to the application that reading from/writing to the committed pages will never fail (or deadlock). It might be slow if other physical pages have to be moved to disk in order to make room, but it will eventually succeed. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number AMD Athlon 64 3200+, Lenovo G560 i3 OS Windows 7 Ultimate, Ubuntu Motherboard Gigabyte K8T8000 Memory DDR 2Gb (!) Graphics Card 6600GT Monitor(s) Displays MultiMonitor (2) LCD Mouse Logitech MX620 Cordless Hard Drives Old Seagate 75
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19 Jan 2013
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#19 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Portugal |
Thats a lie and you definitly need pagefile
(prety much sure windows 7 was made to work with it),
once tried set manualy 1gb min and max on pagefile for months just for test.
(using 2nd HDD (D) OS HDD (C) i got 8gb ram)
Then i did set managed by system (he sets max exactly the amount of ram i have 8gb)
works far better that way and theres absolutly no fragments caused by pagefile eitheir...
8gb on a 500gb hard drive is nothing for me. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Acer Aspire 7750G OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit CPU Intel® Core™ i5-2430M Processor (3M Cache, 2.40 GHz) Memory 8gb DDR3 Graphics Card Switchable Cards/ Intel HD 3000/ Radeon HD 6650M 2gb vram Sound Card Realtek Monitor(s) Displays Acer 17.3 Screen Resolution 1600x900 Hard Drives Western Digital 500gb
Western Digital 500gb |
19 Jan 2013
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#20 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
Good day Otase. You are posting on a very old thread.
I do agree with you. One should use page filing. But that doesn't mean the people that disagree are telling a lie. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
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