Disc defrag problem

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  1. Posts : 328
    Windows 7
       #11

    It may be that a Windows system file needs to be moved before fragmentation can be improved. I'd suggest downloading the trial version of PerfectDisk 11 Professional.

    Provided the drive shows up, click on your Windows drive and then hit the "Analyze" button at the top-left of the interface. Once the analysis has completed, click "Save Statistics" at the right of the statistics pane.

    Post the results here and we should be able to see if any system files are involved?
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  2. Posts : 9
    Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
    Thread Starter
       #12

    ok ill download and try it and get back to yall on the reults also

    @richc46
    when you go to defrag your system its the one at the very bottom that says system drive i think
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  3. Posts : 4,161
    Windows 7 Pro-x64
       #13

    If it's a SSD, Do NOT run defrag on it! In fact, Win7 disables the defrag for SSDs.
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  4. Posts : 9
    Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
    Thread Starter
       #14

    here is the results of the analysis anyways please tell me if something is wrong?

    Code:
     
    Analysis of Drive SYSTEM (Unmounted drive)
     
    Computer: Charles
     
     
    Analysis Results
    Time Started:
    6/8/2011 7:24:21 PM
    Duration:
    00:00:00
     
    Time Completed:
    6/8/2011 7:24:21 PM
    Total CPU Time:
    00:00:00
     
     
    Summary
    PerfectDisk has finished analyzing your drive and your drive is operating at peak performance
     
    Recommended Actions
    Since your drive is operating at peak performance, there are no additional optimization recommendations.
    You do not appear to have StealthPatrol enabled for this drive. We recommend that you enable Automatic Mode or Screen Saver optimization to continuously improve system performance.
     
     
    Drive Details
     
     
     
    Drive:
    SYSTEM (Unmounted drive)
    GUID:
    64257844-a790-11de-bb87-806e6f6e6963
    File System
    NTFS
    Drive Size:
    199 MB
    Cluster Size:
    4096 bytes
    Used Space:
    29.45 MB
    Free Space:
    169.55 MB
    Drive Type:
    HDD
    Thin-Provisioned:
    No
     
    
     
     
    Drive Performance
     
     
     
    Current:
    97.5%
     
     
     
     
     
    
     
     
     
    File Statistics
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Number of files:
     
    77
     
    
    Number of fragmented files:
     
    2
     
    Number of excess fragments:
     
    2
     
    Average number of fragments:
     
    1
     
    Percent file fragmentation:
     
    2.6%
     
    Percent data fragmentation:
     
    4.5%
     
     
     
     
    Metadata Statistics
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Metadata Size:
     
    956
     
     
    Number of excess metadata fragments:
     
    338
     
     
    Percent metadata Fragmentation:
     
    5.6%
     
     
    Percent directory data Fragmentation:
     
    0%
     
     
     
     
     
    MFT Statistics
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    MFT size:
     
    64
     
     
    Number of excess MFT fragments:
     
    0
     
     
    Percent MFT Fragmentation:
     
    0%
     
     
     
     
     
    Free Space Statistics
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Number of free space fragments:
     
    7
     
     
    Average free space fragment size:
     
    16 KB
     
     
    Largest free space chunk:
     
    107.74 MB
     
     
    Percent free space fragmentation
     
    0.1%
     
     
     
     
     
    Most Fragmented Files
    # of Fragments
    File Size
     
     
     
    $MFT::$BITMAP
    2
    8 KB
    $Extend\$UsnJrnl:$J
    2
    1.31 MB
     
     
     
    System Excluded Files
    Reason
    # of Fragments
     
     
     
    $MFTMirr
    Metadata
    0
    $LogFile
    Metadata
    0
    $Volume
    Metadata
    0
    $Bitmap
    Metadata
    0
    $Boot
    Metadata
    0
    $BadClus:$Bad
    Metadata
    0
    $Secure:$SDS
    Metadata
    0
    $Secure:$SDH:$INDEX_ALLOCATION
    Metadata
    0
    $Secure:$SII:$INDEX_ALLOCATION
    Metadata
    0
    $Extend\$Quota
    Metadata
    0
    $Extend\$ObjId
    Metadata
    0
    $Extend\$Reparse
    Metadata
    0
    also what do you mean by an ssd?

    it says peak performance but the built in defragger tells me 12% fragmented so im confused?
    Last edited by Brink; 08 Jun 2011 at 22:02. Reason: code box
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  5. Posts : 2,528
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #15

    Just because a disk has fragmentation doesn't mean it cannot be operating at peak performance:
    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-background-and-engineering-the-windows-7-improvements.aspx

    Honestly, the output you posted looks quite good, so I wouldn't disagree with the assertion that was made - your disk is working at optimal performance. Only people with OCPD or OCD really need a disk at 0% fragmentation, and that's not a performance issue, that's a mental health issue :).
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  6. Posts : 9
    Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit
    Thread Starter
       #16

    thanks very much and i do have a bit of OCD so that explains why i asked this question even knowing my computer works fine
    thanks again and ill just ignore the 12%

    1 more quick question would it be better to just not defrag that drive?
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  7. Posts : 4,517
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
       #17

    The fragmented files could be System Restore Points. Or, even the Pagefile.

    If you have a defragmenter such as Perfect Disk, ((PD12 is out now BTW)) you can run a boot time defrag to defragment these files.

    They can not be moved while Windows is running, so if fragmented they will stay fragmented.

    There are ways around it however.

    For example, if you are sure the system is clean, you can delete all the system Restore points.

    Then Defrag the HD.
    Once done, create a new Restore point.


    After you anylyse the drive with PerfectDisc, youll have a map that shows you whats fragmented.
    It should be fairly easy to pinpoint whats not being moved, and my guess is that its most likely Restore Points or possibly Hiberfile, or pagefile.


    And if a SSD, do NOT use Windows defrag.
    The only ones I know are safe is Pefect Disc Consolodate Free Space ... And in the new PD12, the Optimize SSD defrag.

    Also, theres Diskeeper that can deal with SSDs safely, but I do not know much about it.

    Although the Consolodate Free Space is safe, and can help a bit, I wouldnt recommend doing it to often. Maybe something like once a month at the most.
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  8. Posts : 328
    Windows 7
       #18

    I'm a little confused. Having re-read this thread a number of times I'm not reading you have a Solid State Drive (SSD)? If you do then consider the advice given for this?

    Also the System & Drive information in the report doesn't look right to me, unless I've completely misunderstood something you have posted earlier?

    SYSTEM (Unmounted drive)
    Never had a drive reported as unmounted?

    Drive Size:
    199 MB
    Cluster Size:
    4096 bytes
    Used Space:
    29.45 MB
    Free Space:
    169.55 MB
    Seems to be a very small drive? This looks like a boot partition or what some have referred to as a recovery partition. Something I've not come across in either case, and would leave alone unless I were absolutely certain of what I were doing.

    I thought the 12% you were querying was on your main/Windows/C Drive.
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  9. Posts : 4,517
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
       #19

    Oh ... I missed that I too was thinking it was the OS drive.

    199MB system partition ... this is likely the System reserved.

    I am a bit confused as to why its 199MB rather than the typical 100Mb though.


    Perfect disc usually sees the reserved partition and lists it as Unmounted. That in itself isn't really unusual.

    And as Oaken suggested, and I agree, best to leave it alone.
    In fact, I would have PD exclude it, or change that drive to manual.
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  10. Posts : 5,056
    Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86
       #20

    Wishmaster said:
    Oh ... I missed that I too was thinking it was the OS drive.

    199MB system partition ... this is likely the System reserved.

    I am a bit confused as to why its 199MB rather than the typical 100Mb though.


    Perfect disc usually sees the reserved partition and lists it as Unmounted. That in itself isn't really unusual.

    And as Oaken suggested, and I agree, best to leave it alone.
    In fact, I would have PD exclude it, or change that drive to manual.
    Many HP (hewlett packard) computers have 199 mb system reserved partition.
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