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05 Aug 2011   #11

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Don't you think the same legal principles which make the "Void if Damaged stickers" "stupid" (and unenforceable) would also count with a heat sink?
No. totally different scenario. As I said, you have a right to open your case to install RAM so them saying you can't even open your case is not the same thing.

As for the RAM upgrade, etc, the principle still holds true. If I try to jam my brand new stick of DDR3 in there backwards and crack the RAM slot, do you think I'm still covered? What if I need DDR2 and cut a notch in a stick of DDR3 so it will fit? How about if I use the correct RAM, insert it properly, but don't bother to shut the computer off while I install it? I have worked on computers where all of those things have happened.
What? None of that has anything to do with this, and frankly makes not sense. If you are suggesting cutting a notch in DDR3 to make it fit a DDR2 motherboard, then INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD Crucial by telling them the RAM failed and you don't know why, that's fraud and you need to go to jail.

The facts are there in black and white. Please take it up with Intel and AMD if you don't agree with it. But for now, the law is on their side, and that's it.

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05 Aug 2011   #12

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2

Then I'll try and explain it again.

Warranties are worded in such a way as to provide maximum protection for the manufacturer against the stupidity of the user. That does not mean that every manufacturer will gleefully tell their customer to pound sand when a product fails through no fault of the customer. You yourself admitted that "AMD and Intel usually gracious about it". They are not doing this out of pity or generosity, but out of fairness. If their product has failed through no fault of the customer they are (usually) willing to make it right.

If CPUs were failing right and left and people were getting left holding the bag due to their use of an aftermarket heatsink, this would indeed be an issue. That is not happening. Bottom line is that if a CPU fails due to overheating it is almost certainly going to be the customers fault, whether they are using the heatsink which came with the CPU or not.
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06 Aug 2011   #13

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit

I see admin has cleaned up this thread. Thanks, admin.

Prof - You keep making totally pointless points and I fail to see why. It really serves no purpose here but to drag on the topic's diversion. I am not disagreeing with you - I am just saying, what is written in the AMD and Intel warranties are the ONLY points that matter. And they make it clear, especially AMD,
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AMD Warranty
"This Limited Warranty shall be null and void if the AMD microprocessor which is the subject of this Limited Warranty is used with any heatsink/fan other than the one provided herewith."
That's it! Period. If anyone does like the warranties, they need to take it up with AMD and Intel, or go hire a lawyer. I did not write the warranties - I haven't even expressed my own opinion about the warranties! Why? Because my opinion is immaterial here too. What matters is that AMD and Intel have every right to deny warranty support if you use an aftermarket cooler (or overclock). I am also reporting that profit through deception is fraud, and a criminal offense. Those are not opinions - just the facts.
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06 Aug 2011   #14

Windows 7 Ultimate

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by s0uLFir3 View Post
Hello guys. I have an Intel Core i7 930 CPU running at stock settings and with a stock cooler.

Till like a week back, the CPU Temps used to be 35 - 45 idle and 75 - 85 at load. But suddenly, last week they became like 60 - 80 and the load with no application/file open wouldn't go below 10 - 15%. I have 6GB Ram.

Please help. If I play any game that I want to, the load goes up to 60 - 70% and the CPU Temp goes to up till 100.

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i would ask how many background programs are running. a 10 to 15% constant load really isn't that high. and 60 to 70% playing a game is very possible. as for the 100f temp yes it is high even when playing a game, but that cpu should be able to handle 130f without hurting it. i would take the one suggesting and check to see if you case and fans need cleaning. second i would check the air flow.

Digerati i'm pretty sure he is talking fahrenheit not celsius. if it was getting to 100c the system would shut down.

[QUOTE][A caution should ALWAYS be given with that advice! Both Intel and AMD make it quite clear in their warranties - their CPUs that come with an OEM supplied heatsink fan (HSF) assembly are packaged, sold, and warrantied as "a unit". Therefore, understand the use of a 3rd party cooler on Intel or AMD CPUs violates the terms of the warranty agreements!/QUOTE]

intel isn't going to know that you used a third party cooler.

the legal issues of using the stock fan aside can we please keep on topic and try to help the op?
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06 Aug 2011   #15

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Ok, first of all, Thank you all for the replies.
Really glad!

And now about the problem, I have a small case, a CM Elite 430 (Elite 430 Black) and I have 5 fans, all running on 1200RPM. There is one intake fan in the front, that's a powerful fan, then 2 exhaust fans on top, one back and one more in the side panel, all those fans are normal, not so fast fans. I'm using a CM eXtreme Plus 650W PSU, which, I'm planing to change. And I'm also planning to get myself a Hyper 212+. Or at least was. :/
But after the replies, I am kinda confused. Should I get it or not? :S

And trust me, my room is really cold. My Air Conditioner is nearly always on, so the temperature is always, specially when I am on the computer about 25 degrees.

And how to I check the BIOS settings and all, I have no idea. But the point is can they change automatically, because I don't think they can and my computer was absolutely fine like a week or so back.

And I do remove both the panels while playing at night. And for the time being, I've made all my fans as intake, because since both the panels are open, I think the exhaust makes no sense. :/

As per the process, here is a picture..

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And here is another picture, with no proper application running but the few things in system try..

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06 Aug 2011   #16

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

i'm pretty sure he is talking fahrenheit not celsius.
Lol, dude, I am talking about Celsius.
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06 Aug 2011   #17

Windows 7 Ultimate

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by s0uLFir3 View Post
i'm pretty sure he is talking fahrenheit not celsius.
Lol, dude, I am talking about Celsius.

i noticed your pics after i made my post. i don't know then. i'd personally say cpu gone bad, fan censors gone bad. 100c should shut down your system without any warning to protect itself. how is the system preforming? as for the load in your one pic i have a heavier load idle without itunes or firefox running, so no those temps should be no higher than say 38 idle. as for the 3rd party heatsink yes i would get it. i always use a 3rd party heatdsink.
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06 Aug 2011   #18
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8

I would reseat the CPU cooler with new paste. That is a cheap first aid. Maybe even go for a better cooler.
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06 Aug 2011   #19

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

My temps are like always 60 - 70 (idle). Like always. Even as soon as I boot my PC.
Load, well, I am happy if they are anything below 90 now a days. Goes up to 100. :O
And the computer is a little slow.
And, I am getting a Hyper 212+ if like 2 weeks then. (:
Hope it helps.
And just out of curiosity, umm, let's say the Hyper 212, does bring the temps back to normal, i.e., 35 - 40, will that bring the load down as well?
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11 Aug 2011   #20
Heinz Getwellvet

Windows 7 Pro x64

This thread is hilarious.
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