How do I prevent going to sleep with processes active?

JBDevon · Sep 9, 2011

My normal settings are for the display to 'sleep' after 15 mins and the computer to 'sleep' after 20 mins. This is fine for day to day use but once a week and once a month a virus scan and backup are scheduled to run. It is really anoying for the computer to go to sleep whilst these are running and having to remember to set sleep never for these days. Is there a 'switch' somewhere that I am missing?
Windows 7 64 bit

maxseven · Sep 9, 2011

You can thank MS for W7's incredibly aggressive power savings functionality, which doesn't seem to care what the CPU is doing and goes to sleep during any program operation. Any program, that is, which does not know the "Secret Handshake" to tell W7 to leave it the heck alone (somethng called STES iirc).

Anyway if your AV program isn't smart enough to keep W7 awake (my Comodo isn't either) then you can create your own batch commands to change your Power settings (via CLI powercfg) prior to your AV running, and return the settings back to normal after. Nontrivial at best...

Here's a freeware I just found that might be of interest

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/11/21/dont-sleep-prevent-standby-hibernate-shutdown-in-windows/

And here is what Programmers need to know to make their proggies keep Windows from sleeping:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa373208%28VS.85%29.aspx

A couple other programs I found. What you want to do is to Wake your PC just prior to those dates/times when your AV is scheduled to run, then restore your Sleep settings after the AV scan is complete:

http://www.dennisbabkin.com/wosb/

http://ck-tnt.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-wake-up-your-pc-from-stand-by.html

JaidynM · Sep 9, 2011

What AV do you use? The reason I ask this is because some anti-virus has an option to automatically shutdown or sleep after a scan is finished.

Golden · Sep 9, 2011

Hi,

I think the tool that might help you here is powercfg. You access it from an elevanted CMD window.

If you type powercfg /? in the cmd window, it will list several usage options. The one I think might be able to help you is:

powercfg -requestoverride

I have never used it, but from the description it looks like you can use a service (for example a backup service or security service) to override the sleep state (i.e. it 'wakes' the computer when the service sends a signal to start).

Code:

  -REQUESTSOVERRIDE
              Sets a Power Request override for a particular Process, Service,
              or Driver. If no parameters are specified, this command displays
              the current list of Power Request Overrides.
              Usage: POWERCFG -REQUESTSOVERRIDE <CALLER_TYPE> <NAME> <REQUEST>
              <CALLER_TYPE>    Specifies one of the following caller type:
                               PROCESS, SERVICE, DRIVER. This is obtained by
                               calling the POWERCFG -REQUESTS command.
              <NAME>           Specifies the caller name. This is the name
                               returned from calling POWERCFG -REQUESTS command.
              <REQUEST>        Specifies one or more of the following Power
                               Request Types: Display, System, Awaymode.
              Example:
                  POWERCFG -REQUESTSOVERRIDE PROCESS wmplayer.exe Display System

I'll see if one of the more experienced users can confirm or deny this, or maybe make an alternative suggestion.

Regards,
Golden

karlsnooks · Sep 9, 2011

JBDevon,

Here you are:
Give your computer insomnia [Free tool and source code to temporarily prevent a machine from going to sleep!] - Delay's Blog - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

karlsnooks · Sep 9, 2011

JB,
Would you:
rb: | Administrative Tools | Task Scheduler | left-click on Task Scheduler Library | highlight the task in question (from the middle pane) | click on Export (right-hand pane) | Save button.

You will have saved a .xml file. Tack a .txt on to that file so that you can upload it and then upload the file.

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cluberti · Sep 9, 2011

maxseven said:
You can thank MS for W7's incredibly aggressive power savings functionality, which doesn't seem to care what the CPU is doing and goes to sleep during any program operation. Any program, that is, which does not know the "Secret Handshake" to tell W7 to leave it the heck alone (somethng called STES iirc).

Actually, the "secret handshake" is publicly documented and a very easy-to-use API. It's probably best to lay the blame at a vendor's feet for not keeping a machine awake when it's doing something it thinks is of utmost importance, rather than blaming Microsoft's environment that has been this way since 2000 (at least). Also, other power state options are also well documented, so applications that "must" keep the system awake (and don't) are to blame in this case.

As to the OP's question, powercfg does provide the override function (as per Golden's post), which will allow a particular running process to keep a machine awake if the power plan attempts to sleep whilst that process is running. However, if the antivirus scan runs under the same process name as it's resident A/V (and not a separate process), creating an override for this process will keep the machine awake indefinitely.

maxseven · Sep 9, 2011

cluberti said:
Actually, the "secret handshake" is publicly documented and a very easy-to-use API. It's probably best to lay the blame at a vendor's feet for not keeping a machine awake when it's doing something it thinks is of utmost importance, rather than blaming Microsoft's environment that has been this way since 2000 (at least). Also, other power state options are also well documented, so applications that "must" keep the system awake (and don't) are to blame in this case.

Actually it changed with Vista, but let's agree to disagree on this one--there are just way too many user problems associated with S3 such that most folks just turn it off (so much for Windows being Green). And way too many vendors whose products don't know about all these "well documented" requirements.

maxseven · Sep 9, 2011

Golden said:
I think the tool that might help you here is powercfg.

Hmmm I think I said that.

Depends on the program, but for some I create a batch file that just does this:

Code:

powercfg -change -standby-timeout-ac 0
powercfg -change -hibernate-timeout-ac 0
powercfg -change -monitor-timeout-ac 1

CALL whatever process you want

powercfg -change -standby-timeout-ac 30
powercfg -change -hibernate-timeout-ac 30
powercfg -change -monitor-timeout-ac 5

For my Comodo Internet Security weekly AV scans, I use Task Scheduler to wake the computer and do the above "change to 0" then 2 hours later put the settings back via "change to 30" which is plenty of time for the AV scan to complete.

No fun, but it works.

JBDevon · Sep 9, 2011

Karlsnooks

Thanks for reply. First time I've gone into Task Scheduler, interesting!
Seems McAfee must use its own scheduler as it does not appear in the list. I am using McAfee version 11.0.578 and Virusscan ver 15.0.291 which runs every friday.

The other 'problem program' is standard Windows backup, set to run on the 1st of the month. There appears to be 3 entries for backup? I will upload a file if you still need it.

cluberti · Sep 9, 2011

maxseven said:
Actually it changed with Vista, but let's agree to disagree on this one--there are just way too many user problems associated with S3 such that most folks just turn it off (so much for Windows being Green). And way too many vendors whose products don't know about all these "well documented" requirements.

Yes, it changed with Vista because anything using the CPU or memory for any length of time would keep the system awake (amongst other things), whereas that isn't necessarily the proper way to handle sleep (even the OS can do this). Hence sleep wasn't used as much as it should/would have been, and it was far harder to determine what or when a machine would sleep. I will agree to disagree, but any app that hasn't gotten the hint since 2005 (Vista betas where this was first seen) might simply need to be considered for replacement if possible.

karlsnooks · Sep 9, 2011

JBDevon said:
Karlsnooks

Thanks for reply. First time I've gone into Task Scheduler, interesting!
Seems McAfee must use its own scheduler as it does not appear in the list. I am using McAfee version 11.0.578 and Virusscan ver 15.0.291 which runs every friday.

The other 'problem program' is standard Windows backup, set to run on the 1st of the month. There appears to be 3 entries for backup? I will upload a file if you still need it.

Now this is personal preference, although actually the majority of the people working this forum will agree with me. Dump those two. My replacement choice is Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) link in my sig.

There are those who bought and swear by DeSoto (or are you too young for that one). We all make our choices. I like quality, reliability, small footprint, complete compatibility with Windows. Maybe with the buyout of Muckafee (oops that was supposed to be McAfee) then the product will improve. Lately they've not been enjoying the highest respect and admiration from the software community.

If you check out all of the entries in the left-hand pane, you will probably find an entry for your av software.

JBDevon · Sep 9, 2011

Karl

Too young! I'm what's known as a silver surfer having grown up with CP/M 8, Vax's and Cray's but that's another story.

So far Muckafee has done the job for me (and so less intrusive than Norton) that I've never needed to look at alternatives. As to backup, I've used several in the past but by the time I need it (changing machines for example) I've lost (misplaced!) the boot disk which probably wouldn't work on the new system anyway so have stuck with MS. At least there (should) be some continuity between upgrades.

Had a look again at Task Scheduler, lots of interesting stuff I shall be following up but no McAfee. Only 'folders' are Apple, Microsoft and WPD and nothing McAfee in them.

Will be looking at MSE

karlsnooks · Sep 10, 2011

Of those, the only one I missed out on was Cray. Ah, for the good old days when computers were computers taking up ten thousand as much space and using ten thousand as many watts (and these are very conservative niumbers).

Iif you find a magic wand to wave over your problem let me know. None of my compadres use McAfee so I don't have a system which I can investigate.

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