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Windows 7: Chkdsk runs everytime I restart

15 Oct 2011   #61
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Okay I tried it again with UtraISO and this time used F12 to select USB. (The ImgBrn/Universal route would have likely worked as well with F12)

Its now starting the install process..

Will post back results shortly...

I am still at full ram.... so the 2GB route is next if this does not work....


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15 Oct 2011   #62
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Okay,

BAD NEWS - The UltraISO usb based install generated the install load driver error message below.

GOOD NEWS - I pulled out that USB and put in the thee ( ImgBrn/Univeral) ... I bought two new ones this morning jsut for this reason). The ImgBrn/Univeral usb based install did not generate any error messages. Saw three partitions to choose from ( like a few doesn posts ago), ie
-100MB reserver
-350 GB Primary
-550 Gb Unallocated

I selected the 350GB, Foramtted it, and it is now proceeding with the install...

BAD NEWS - The orignal error code 0x80070570 message (of several posst ago returned). See below.

NEXT STEPS - Okay, now I will pull the memory next to do the following
NEW HD + IMGBRIN USB INSTALL + 2GB MEM

if that fails I will try:


NEW HD + DELL WIN7 OEM + 2GB MEM

if that fails I will try

NEW HD + SYS RECOVERY DVDS + 2GB MEM

if that fails , I will put everythuing back otghter and call DELL, Hopefuy tehy wont capmain about the extra meemry and new HD. I assupose I can remove both, put back the hITACHI, then call for help.... but perhas one of teh baove three last ditch attempt will work.


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15 Oct 2011   #63
gregrocker

 

Didn't you successfully install with the Recovery Disks once before when the DVD failed?

I'd use them next if removing all but 2gb of RAM fails.

Remember to ground yourself by touching the case before touching the RAM. Don't force anything even if it takes too long.
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15 Oct 2011   #64
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Didn't you successfully install with the Recovery Disks once before when the DVD failed?

I'd use them next if removing all but 2gb of RAM fails.

Remember to ground yourself by touching the case before touching the RAM. Don't force anything even if it takes too long.
Yes, I did have success installing with the Recovery Disk,.. but then it could not do the Windows Updates....but that was with the old OEM HD.. and with full RAM.

I have never yet tried the Recovery Disks with the new drive, and certainly not with 2GB ram. We chatted about this earlier and decided used Ssytem Recovery DVDs should be last resort.

So are you are saying, of the choices below, try 1 and 3, but dont bother with 2??

1 NEW + IMGBURN USB INSTALL + 2GB MEM
2 NEW HD + DELL WIN7 OEM + 2GB MEM
3 NEW HD + SYS RECOVERY DVDS + 2GB MEM
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15 Oct 2011   #65
gregrocker

 

Try all 3 now in that order. Report back exactly what happens.

RAM amount doesn't seem to affect Factory Recovery but memory may be causing the Update problems - or something in the factory image

This is why we should exhaust all steps to clean reinstall including applying a Win7 image made on another machine as a last resort - do you have either?
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15 Oct 2011   #66
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Ok, I removed all but 2GB, and proceeded with:
NEW + IMGBURN USB INSTALL + 2GB MEM

It successfuly completed with the full installation. HOWEVER, so did the
" OEM HD + SYS RECOVER DVD +FULL MEM" installation, which e know later failed and clobbered my machine on the Windwos Updates. .. but , taht was with a potentailly flayey drive and full RAM

OK, I will continue now with the true test - installing all windows updates, doing some restarts, and see it I get any of the isseud as per post 1 !

I will do all this with only the 2GB installed.

I will report back what happens.

(I may run into problems relating to drivers at some point ) - recall USB install does not quite have the same drivers as teh facotry install; the USB install has Windows only drivers)
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NOTE - If successful, I still need to re-install the RAM. Once reseated, the next Windows update may clobber me again. I certainly do not want to remove memory each time there is a security patch. What is the game plan for that?? Is thrre a way, as a compromise, to lower thr available memory in thr BIOS? What is the common practice??? Do people really do this????
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15 Oct 2011   #67
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

UPDATE

Still at 2GB. Generally very good so far in that many many updates and reboots were done without incident. In fact they did seem much faster ( but then again its a fresh install at new hard drive). but clearly low memory is good for updates!!

HOWEVER,

1) SP1 - Unlike previous version, is it not prompting me at all for Windows 7 SP1 update. I know this is not a known issue dicussed here : You do not have the option of downloading Windows 7 SP1 when you use Windows Update to check for updates , but I am curious why now?? All the other installs got passed this. Should I mannally intiiate it via this link ?

2) RAM - Per my note above, I still have my memory to put back Once reseated, the next big Windows update may clobber me again. I certainly do not want to remove memory each time there is a security patch. What is the game plan for that?? Is thrre a way, as a compromise, to lower thr available memory in thr BIOS? What is the common practice??? Do people really do this????

3) HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH - Should I consder only putting back a max of 6GB... or 12GB .. or the full 18GB? At the time of purchase I did what I nomrally do, and that is I tend to buy (or plan to buy) the max memeory the unit can handle. This mnchine is for my home studio, so I was simply thinking ahead re recording software, control of studio equipment, music servers, streaming, videos, future home theatre use, etc But perhaps there is such a thing a too much memory. Nows a good time to downsize if thats the collective wisdom...






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15 Oct 2011   #68
gregrocker

 

Windows Update will deliver many updates including Net Framework 4.0 and it's updates before delivering SP1. Just go with what it gives you, making sure to install the drivers delivered in optional Windows Updates promptly - in fact you can trust all optional WUD's. I wonder if lack of a driver caused your problem. I wouldn't rule out the excess RAM causing it although I've never heard of this before. I think it's good to leave it out until the updates are all installed.

I think you can reinstall all of the RAM but if problems crop up it should be suspect, tested with memtest86 for 5-6 passes or overnight, tried in different configurations, even taking some out systematically. I would consult our Hardware forum experts on this directly.
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16 Oct 2011   #69
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Windows Update will deliver many updates including Net Framework 4.0 and it's updates before delivering SP1. Just go with what it gives you.
Thats what I have been doing ; and I have 94 updates installed. I dont seem to have Net Framework : The.NET Framework 4 is available on Windows Update

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
...making sure to install the drivers delivered in optional Windows Updates promptly - in fact you can trust all optional WUD's. .
I think thats generral true. In one case for me, there is an optional upadate from a Realtex NIC driver whick renderws my NIC useless, so I now know not to downlaod that specific optional one.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
. think it's good to leave it out until the updates are all installed.
[Re SP1] OK.. Will leave it alone and perhaps it will be offered up eventually.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I wouldn't rule out the excess RAM causing it....
Ya, me too. I am going to search the Dell forums as well to see if excess ram has come up. I can certainly put back 6GB and save the Kingston 12GB set for a future machine ( that will accept DDR3 SDRAM at 1333Mhhz)

Based on the history below, things do seem to point to execess memory
OEM HD + OEM DVD + FULL MEM = INSTALL SUCCESS BUT BUT CHKDSK ISSUES ON UPDATES
OEM HD + SYS RECOVER DVD +FULL MEM = INSTALL sucess BUT FAILS ON UPDATES
NEW HD + OEM DVD + FULL MEM = FAILS TO INSTALL
NEW HD + ULTRA ISO USB INSTALL + FULL MEM = FAILS TO START INSTALL
NEW HD + IMGBURN/UNIV USB INSTALL + FULL MEM = FAILS TO COMPLETE INSTALL
NEW HD + IMGBURN/UNIV USB INSTALL + 2GB RAM = INSTALL SUCCES INCL 94 WINDOWS UPDATES
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Troubleshhoting Not tried (now not ncessary):
NEW HD + OEM DVD + 2GB MEM
NEW HD + SYS RECOVERY DVDS + 2GB MEM


NEXT STEPS
I will reseat remaining memory to either 6, 12 or 18GB levels and run some test on it as well

I will also test that Hitachi dirve if I can get the Ftiness test to recognize it ( maybe it will now), and if it fails, I will try to process a Dell warranty option claim for it. It if passes, fine , I pull put in 'stock'

STATUS
It would apprear I am back on track, (assuming my remaining Windwos update kick in and that CHKSDK cyckes does not return - if it does I will turn that 'feature' off per info in this thread. So I am hopefully will be on my way , I hope with without any future excitement.

THANK YOU
I want to sincerely thank you, and the other forum members who assisted, for the technical support, moral support and patience you have shown me here, getting things to a logcal conclusions A thousand thanks for sticking this out with me and giving me options I would have otherwise not tried. This was a long ordeal - I am certainly older now, but wiser now as well. Sincerely appreciate the effort extended.
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16 Oct 2011   #70
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Glad you got it installed.

We have seen RAM cause many installation issues.
If you are having any OS installation issues, take out all but one RAM card, 2GB RAM is good to install your OS with.
Then install the newest drivers from the Dell site, don't use the driver CD as they are older drivers (see driver comments below).
Then the MS updates, if all are good, you can re-install the RAM.

When you add RAM to an OEM (Dell, I have had several and still have two) there is the possibility of the RAM not being able to get enough voltage. On any OEM computer their BIOS won't allow you to adjust the voltage or frequency settings, one good thing is that they usually set the voltage fairly high, but, it might not be high enough for 18GB RAM.

If you have further issues try running with the original 6GB, if the system runs with no errors (crashes, failed updates, etc.) you can try running the 12GB (take out the 6GB first) and see if there are any errors.
If you have no issues with either the 6GB or 12GB RAM but problems with the 18GB RAM, the above reason will likely be the cause, not enough voltage for the RAM to run correctly.
With an OEM (Dell) system you have no choice but to run the amount of RAM the system settings will allow.

What are the brand, frequency, timings and stated voltage settings for the two different sets of RAM?

You can find these by downloading CPUZ and post a snip of the CPU, Mainboard, Memory, and SPD tabs for each set of RAM (SPD tab for each set of RAM, this is the manufacturers recommended/tested frequencies and timings).
For posting the information , enter 'Snipping tool' in the Start button > Search box, hit enter. Select the area you want to post and save to a convenient place.

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This information will help us to determine if the two RAM sets are conflicting.
It is completely normal for RAM to pass memtest86+ several times and then show errors on the fifth or sixth run, it's just they way electronics are, intermittent errors can be very fickle.
This is why your system will run fine for a while and then under certain circumstances give errors/crashes, or blame other hardware/software as the cause.

If your system is running fine, the below suggestions are optional, if you are still having issues then try them.
Other issues I noticed while reading through the thread:
1. Always install your boot HDD in SATA port 0.
2.Your CD/DVD should be in any other SATA port, I wouldn't use any Marvell ports, just leave space for any additional HDD/SSD drives you might want to install later. Example: install the CD/DVD drive in SATA port 3.
3. Install the drivers from the Dell site, chipset driver first. I use the Intel RST drivers from the Intel site for my Dells and the graphics card drivers from the ATI/AMD site, all others should be from the Dell site. Unless you have added different non-Dell components, then get the latest drivers from their respective sites.
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