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Windows 7: Chkdsk runs everytime I restart

16 Oct 2011   #71
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
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1. Always install your boot HDD in SATA port 0.
2.Your CD/DVD should be in any other SATA port
that one may be easier said than done....

On the XPS Studio 9100, out of the factory, SATA 0 is the DVD and the DVD must phyisically sit in the factory position due to the case desgin. The cage it sits in is spefically marke ODD.. sopposed to HDD in other postions. So it can be only changed via the cabling.

There are only three typical SATA connectors .. all I can see doing is swap the cable connectors at the m/b end, but I dont knoe what other conflicts that will cause. May not be such a good idea...

The blue cable currently goes to the DVD (SATA 0 in BIOS )
The black cable goes to the main drive ( factory position) S(ATA 2 in BIOS)
The red cable goes to the backup drive (SATA 4 in BIOS)

In this configuration, the BIOS reports the drives as shown below.

Is SATA0 for a hard drive that critical ??? is yes why does Dell specifically NOT to this???


(As an aside, I put the HITACHI drive in to do testing on it. But the HITACHI Fitness test does not recognize it or any other drive. Will have to use Dell or other other diagnostics)




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16 Oct 2011   #72
win7clutz

Windows 7 Ultimate (64)
 
 

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Is SATA0 for a hard drive that critical ??? is yes why does Dell specifically NOT to this???
No it's not, guys that have been building for some time usually go to SATA0 out of habit as do I, but it's not necessary...
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16 Oct 2011   #73
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

OH NO -- WE WERE SO CLOSE ....

Man, we were so close. As noted above, devil is in the Windows updates success. Issue is SP1.

THE GOOD NEWS - I actually finally did get the SP1 prompt. All it took was for me to power down. Windows did its 'configuring" thing on power down and on the next restart, I checked Windows Update and sure enough there it was ready for download. (The other optional one listed is the NIC driver which clobbers me)

THE BAD NEWS

Attempt 1 - I started the update process with the download, let it install and it prompted for a restart. On the restart I got teh error message below . very cryptic as you can see , it says both failure and success.

Attempt 2- I closed the cryptic message went to Windows Update and the SP1 update was still listed there, ready for download. Tried it again, same exact problem.

Attempt 3 - So this time I powered down,, then powered up, went to windows update. Again SP1 update was still listed there ready for download. Thats where I am now.

Needless to say this is dissapointing after all the efforts to date.

OK, the machine currently has the orignal Dell 6 GB of RAM installed, as I has started reseating the memory after the first 94 updates.

I suppose the next step it go back to 2 GB?? I can, and will, but again as I do not want to do this every time, can it be dialed back to 2GB in the BIOS ??


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16 Oct 2011   #74
gregrocker

 

Please provide the details from the highlighted link on error message.

Next I would try the SP1 standalone installer to see what happens.

Then try with 2gb of RAM as it solved the install and some Updates issues.

If necessary open a Support case on WUD website via email as it may be a known issue to them.
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16 Oct 2011   #75
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Please provide the details from the highlighted link on error message.
Its the second pic, at the bottom . It says " Error DS_S_SUCCESS(0x0)

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Next I would try the SP1 standalone installer to see what happens.
OK, per URL a few post back. Will do. Good idea.

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Then try with 2gb of RAM as it solved the install and some Updates issues.
Yup ok. - I gather there is nothing in the BIOS I can set.
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16 Oct 2011   #76
gregrocker

 

I would also try a clean boot: Uncheck everything in msconfig>startup except AV, then after reboot enter msconfig>Services, hide all MS services, then do the same. Check back that nothing creeps back in, or turn it off in its Program Prefs or Uninstall.

Turn off your AV when running SP1 update.

Run SFC -SCANNOW Command

Run the Update readiness tool:
Download the System Update Readiness Tool (64bit)
Download the System Update Readiness Tool (32bit)
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16 Oct 2011   #77
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

I am happy to see such a tool exisis re Download the System Update Readiness Tool (64bit)

At least it acknowledges the problem.

I downloaded and installed Download the System Update Readiness Tool (64bit)
..but how do I 'run' or launch it.

I dont see it under Start Programs.. or anywhere is Windows Updates...

It seems to sucessfuly install a hotfix, KB947821.. and then prompt to close.
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16 Oct 2011   #78
gregrocker

 

Download the standalone launcher at the link and click Run.
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17 Oct 2011   #79
win7clutz

Windows 7 Ultimate (64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mediaman09 View Post

OK, the machine currently has the orignal Dell 6 GB of RAM installed, as I has started reseating the memory after the first 94 updates.

I suppose the next step it go back to 2 GB?? I can, and will, but again as I do not want to do this every time, can it be dialed back to 2GB in the BIOS ??
Your comments suggest that you're thinking the updates failed because of "Too Much Ram", don't think so. It's much more likely that one of the original (Dell) ram sticks has failed. Why not remove all the dell ram and run with the newer ram you purchased? IMO everything in the thread points to a hardware issue, particularly ram, yet it could also be one of the memory slots. Removing all the dell ram gets you one step closer the identifying the problem since the problems returned after adding ram back...

Keep in mind every time the box crashes you're take the risk of file corruption, therefore you reduce the chance of properly isolating the problem. I'm not certain why you started adding ram back before you finished loading drivers and completing updates. If you would have waited until the box was completely updated you could have started testing and loading up the box with Prime95 or whatever to ensure it was stable before adding ram back (one stick at a time), then more testing, and finally loading apps.

I’m certain you’re frustrated and tired of looking at it, but if you’re still having issues you may have to start over again. Considering you can load the OS, install all drivers, and do all updates in less than an hour, that's probably significantly less time than trouble shooting again, the current issues.
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17 Oct 2011   #80
mediaman09

DELL Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7clutz View Post
Your comments suggest that you're thinking the updates failed because of "Too Much Ram", don't think so. It's much more likely that one of the original (Dell) ram sticks has failed.
Thats of course quite possible. All the mem tests to test did however pass. The 'too much ram" is certainly not an idea or concept I can take credit for. This thread has advised me a dozen times that pulling all the memory except 2GB ofter addresses the issue. Was not my thought at all. I was the first to express surprise . memory failures - yup much more plausibe.... but even that would be really strange that I woold not see that impact on any application except a Windows Update. .. and the Dell diagnostic would not see it either.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7clutz View Post
Why not remove all the dell ram and run with the newer ram you purchased?
Sure, I can do that. Likely the next logical step. Advice to date was to start with the original Dell 6GB and work my way up. But I can certainly do the opposite and start with the new memory instead.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7clutz View Post
I'm not certain why you started adding ram back before you finished loading drivers and completing updates. If you would have waited .....
Whoa . With all due respect, thats a completely unfair comment. I specically folowed every instruction, direction, suggestion here, in the right order and asked a thousand questions along the way, including tre question of when to start putting back the ram in post 51. I thinl it was post 68 that said "I think you can reinstall all of the RAM but if problems crop up it should be suspect". As well, "completing updates" is not a fixed endpoint. Updates never end. At that rate I would never be able to put the RAM back. In hindsight, perhaps the advice should have been to not reinstall RAM until SP1 is fully installed.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7clutz View Post
I’m certain you’re frustrated and tired of looking at it, but if you’re still having issues you may have to start over again.
Frustrated and tired are understatments. I'm exhauted. I'm beated down and worn out. I'm disaapointed. I'm seconds from throwing in the towel. I gave it more than a good shot. I put up a good fight. But sometimes you need to know fold up and to walk away. A beginner would have done so 5 dozen posts ago. Starting all over again? I dont think so. If I cannot solve this , with forom help, then there is only one option left and thats put Dell only hardware back, throw it in the car, drive to Dell (wherever that is), before my warranty expires in 80 days, and tell them SP1 cannot be installed (even though months back it did). I can tell them I suspect its a RAM stick or a memory slot or the harddrive. They likely have a slipstreamed DVD and will simply and sucessfuly load it without issue and not even test the hardware (which by the way passed the Dell diagnostics)
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by win7clutz View Post
Considering you can load the OS, install all drivers, and do all updates in less than an hour, that's probably significantly less time than trouble shooting again, the current issues.
Less than an hour??? From USB or DVD install to SP1? I think its a lot longer than that...and besides, all that "is" troubleshooting". No, this ship has sailed. I am 'so' done. I will play with the memory one and try the last set gregrocker options, but I will not start over again and again and again. Been there done that. It s too much. You guys have been great, but i think we need to cut our losses if the "new" memory doesnt help.
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