Long Disk queues slows system

akraven

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After reading everything I can find on the web I am still struggling with this. My computer is about 2 months old. Here are the spec's
OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium, Service Pack 1, 64 bit
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU P6200 @ 2.13GHz, Intel64 Family 6 Model 37 Stepping 5
Processor Count: 2
RAM: 7980 Mb
Graphics Card: Intel(R) HD Graphics, -329 Mb
Hard Drives: C: Total - 451338 MB, Free - 343467 MB;

Seagate Momentus® XT 3Gb/s 500GB Hard Drive
Motherboard: ASUSTeK Computer Inc., K52F
Antivirus: Kaspersky Internet Security, Updated and Enabled
Browser Firefox 3.6

This problem seems to be getting worse and while watching the resource monitor
disk activity will spike and then the queue will go up and the computer sits there for 5-10 secs doing nothing. This is with Outlook 2003 open and Firefox open. Here is what I have done so far
Uninstalled Kaspersky 2011 with removal tool and Installed Kaspersky Internet security suite 2012
Ran Spybot search and destroy - no problems- since removed since possibly conflicts with Kasp.
Ran Malware Bytes -no problems-since removed since possibly conflicts with KAsp
Defrag hard drive
Ran CCCleaner
Cleaned Registry with JV16 power tools
Did all updates for Windows 7 and Microsoft office
Updated drivers and Bios.
Eliminated as much as I was comfortable from start up file.
Doesn't change with Firefox in safe mode with no add-ons.
Performance scan says
1 verfified AV is installed since its not recognized
If installed config security center to stop antivirus monitoring (Under action center heading it shows that it reconizes Kasp AV is running)
2. High avarage interupts/proccess's. Machine is 2 core and 6 network cards Total interuppts/sec 10363
3. Average queue length is 1 (I have seen above 5) Maybe @maxium transfer capacity due to throughputs and disk seeks.
 

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Windows 7 Home premium 64xIntel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ8gigIntel HD graphics
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AsusTek K52F
OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64x
CPU
Intel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ
Motherboard
ASUSTek computer inc K52F 1.0
Memory
8gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
Conexant SmartAudio HD
Monitor(s) Displays
generic
Hard Drives
473 gig 360 free
Also when it is hanging by going into the resource monitor and looking at processes it shows either that svchost or firefox.exe has processes in the wait chain. The message will say that "one or more threads in Firefox is waiting for
waiting to finish network I/O. Frequently in the lower window will show that Ksapersky event.dat
The background system processes are about 13,000b/sec
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Home premium 64xIntel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ8gigIntel HD graphics
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AsusTek K52F
OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64x
CPU
Intel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ
Motherboard
ASUSTek computer inc K52F 1.0
Memory
8gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
Conexant SmartAudio HD
Monitor(s) Displays
generic
Hard Drives
473 gig 360 free
Does the HD LED stay lit solid for these long pauses?

I had something similar happen to me when I switched to using an SSD. THough it may happen for normal drives too. Could be an issue with the specific drive/drive firmware/sata hardware/sata driver combo, but my fix was to go to the adapter and port that had the hard drive on it (in device manager) and turn off Native Command Queueing (NCQ). It got rid of the pausing and increased my WEI even, did not notice any detrimental effects while using it (It is SUPPOSED to speed up spinners but if it's broken for you...)

You may or may not see the NCQ option in the settings for your sata port. But if it's there, try turning it off...
 

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Scratch built
OS
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
CPU
i7 960
Motherboard
Asus P6X58D
Memory
12 Gig Corsair Dominator
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia 480
Sound Card
Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors
Screen Resolution
1920x1200 and 1280x1024
Hard Drives
Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
Secondary: Segate baracuda 1.0 TB
HDs in AHCI mode.
PSU
Corasair TX850
Case
Cooler Master HAF
Cooling
Corsair H50
Keyboard
Logitech G15 + N52 game pad
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
15kbs down 4.5kbps up
Other Info
WEI 7.6
CPU & RAM 7.6
Graphics 7.9
Hard disk 7.7
Did you ever make a test with Kaspersky set off. The AV programs often make all kinds of unnecessary checks that hold things up.
 

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5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
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fseal I plead ignorance and can't find anything on the device manager that lists the ports for the hard drive. Can you point me in the direction alittle more.
WHS I just turned off KAspersky and it seems to be better. I will lay with it a little while to see if it holds and report back.
Thank you both for the replies.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Home premium 64xIntel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ8gigIntel HD graphics
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AsusTek K52F
OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64x
CPU
Intel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ
Motherboard
ASUSTek computer inc K52F 1.0
Memory
8gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
Conexant SmartAudio HD
Monitor(s) Displays
generic
Hard Drives
473 gig 360 free
You will have to crawl thru all the Kaspersky settings and see which ones could be in the way. I have not used Kaspersky in a long time, so unfortunately I cannot point you into the right direction. But maybe some other member is a Kaspersky insider.
 

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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU
from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays
2x HP w2207
Hard Drives
5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Keyboard
with trackball - no mices
Mouse
Trackball mice
Internet Speed
DSL 6000
Hopefully it's settled now, but if you need to, the sata controllers are listed undr "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers" in the control panel. It's up to the driver for the ports to add the "Settings" or "Advanced Setings" tabs that have options to allow you to turn features like NCQ on and off though. WHich is why it may or may not be there.

But even then the symptom is that the computer will stall on disk writes (but not lock up completely ususaly) while the HD light is solid on. Then clear up some many seconds or a couple minutes later.
 

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Windows 7 x64 Ultimatei7 96012 Gig Corsair DominatorNvidia 480
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Scratch built
OS
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
CPU
i7 960
Motherboard
Asus P6X58D
Memory
12 Gig Corsair Dominator
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia 480
Sound Card
Maudio Delta 44 + breakout box
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell UltraSharp U2410 24in and Samsung 21 dual monitors
Screen Resolution
1920x1200 and 1280x1024
Hard Drives
Primary: Intel X-25M G2 160G SSD
Secondary: Segate baracuda 1.0 TB
HDs in AHCI mode.
PSU
Corasair TX850
Case
Cooler Master HAF
Cooling
Corsair H50
Keyboard
Logitech G15 + N52 game pad
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
15kbs down 4.5kbps up
Other Info
WEI 7.6
CPU & RAM 7.6
Graphics 7.9
Hard disk 7.7
task Manager - click on RESOURCE MONITOR (lower left), then select the DISK/IO tab and see exactly which files (and processes) are responsible for I/O volumes OR delays (millisecond response time is over on the right). A long I/O response time is not necessarily bad depending on HOW MUCH data was transferred/sec.
 

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Custom
OS
Windows 7
CPU
AMD Phenom II X2 (dual-core)
Motherboard
GA-MA785GM-US2H
Memory
4G
Graphics Card(s)
integrated ATI HD 4200
Sound Card
integrated
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung 24"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
1 SSD - Samsung 840 - 500 GB - OS and DATA partitions
1 SSD - Intel 320 - 120 GB (used for backups) - Misc/BACKUP
1 SATA HD - WD, 500 GB - BACKUP
PSU
Ultra X4 500W
Case
Ultra X-blaster
Keyboard
Microsoft Digital Media Pro
Mouse
Logitech WIRED!
Internet Speed
15 Mbps FIOS
Jim
In the Disk activity column it is either a Kaspeksy process or Firefox process. IN the Process with disk activity column it is almost always the Firefox that will have a wait chain. Occasionally it will be Outlook.exe

fseal I did look for the NCQ but it is not there as a selection
 
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My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Home premium 64xIntel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ8gigIntel HD graphics
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AsusTek K52F
OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64x
CPU
Intel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ
Motherboard
ASUSTek computer inc K52F 1.0
Memory
8gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
Conexant SmartAudio HD
Monitor(s) Displays
generic
Hard Drives
473 gig 360 free
Right, and network-based apps waiting like that would be indicative of a filter driver issue on the network stack, like firewall or antivirus. Always best to remove any third party security products that affect the network and retest.
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64
CPU
Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Maximus Hero VII
Memory
32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTX970
Sound Card
Realtek HD Audio
Screen Resolution
1920x1200
Hard Drives
1x Samsung 250GB SSD
4x WD RE 2TB (RAIDZ)
PSU
Corsair AX760i
Case
Fractal Design Define R4
Cooling
Noctua NH-D15
A little update. I removed Firefox and updated to IE9 and the problem is still there. Windows defender and firewall are turned off so I only have KAsersky Internet Security suite on.
I reran the performance test today and get the same report but now an avaerage queue time of 2.
Turning off Kaspersky and I no longer get a warning of high queue times in the
system health report" So comes back to being realted to KIS 2012.

Cluberti How do I test to find the filter driver on the stack? I have no warning issues in Device manager and checked all the drivers I could find for updates and they say they are up to date.
 

My Computer My Computer

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Windows 7 Home premium 64xIntel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ8gigIntel HD graphics
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AsusTek K52F
OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64x
CPU
Intel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ
Motherboard
ASUSTek computer inc K52F 1.0
Memory
8gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
Conexant SmartAudio HD
Monitor(s) Displays
generic
Hard Drives
473 gig 360 free
Without debugging, you don't really short of trial and error. Does uninstalling KIS "fix" it?
 

My Computer My Computer

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Windows 10 Pro x64Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz32GB DDR3Nvidia GeForce GTX970
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64
CPU
Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Maximus Hero VII
Memory
32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTX970
Sound Card
Realtek HD Audio
Screen Resolution
1920x1200
Hard Drives
1x Samsung 250GB SSD
4x WD RE 2TB (RAIDZ)
PSU
Corsair AX760i
Case
Fractal Design Define R4
Cooling
Noctua NH-D15
Cluberti
I did a uninstall then reinstall of the Kaspersky and also tested when it was disabled and no change. I ran a "get sytem info scan" and this came up
Sub[:]VerifyColumn -> NetworkAdapterConfiguration
Error[:]13
Description[:]Type mismatch
Source[:]GetSystemInfo
HelpFile[:]
I checked all the netwrok adapters I could find in Device manager and found no indications of a problem and all drivers were upto date.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Home premium 64xIntel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ8gigIntel HD graphics
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
AsusTek K52F
OS
Windows 7 Home premium 64x
CPU
Intel Pentium P6200 2.13GHZ
Motherboard
ASUSTek computer inc K52F 1.0
Memory
8gig
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD graphics
Sound Card
Conexant SmartAudio HD
Monitor(s) Displays
generic
Hard Drives
473 gig 360 free
Disabling a security suite with a filter driver *does not* disable the driver -only an uninstall is a valid test.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 10 Pro x64Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz32GB DDR3Nvidia GeForce GTX970
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64
CPU
Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Maximus Hero VII
Memory
32GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTX970
Sound Card
Realtek HD Audio
Screen Resolution
1920x1200
Hard Drives
1x Samsung 250GB SSD
4x WD RE 2TB (RAIDZ)
PSU
Corsair AX760i
Case
Fractal Design Define R4
Cooling
Noctua NH-D15
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