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Windows 7: PC has been slower since last format

18 Dec 2011   #51
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

1) If you've installed a Japanese LPK, try removing it (and migrating back to English) to see if that has any effect (check for the existence of lpksetup.exe in the process list).
2) Again, no experience with Steam personally, but I do know that it's not exactly a performance enhancer .
3) Are you really running a monitor that doesn't merge sync and sync on green? If not, you don't really need this.
4) Good - again, anything you don't absolutely need running immediately at logon can be set to not start and thus will only run when you need them. This is a good idea no matter what, anyway, so good to do.
5) Yet you're having performance issues - please stop assuming because something worked fine before that it's also doing so now.
6) See #5


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18 Dec 2011   #52
A Guy

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Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
1) If you've installed a Japanese LPK, try removing it (and migrating back to English) to see if that has any effect (check for the existence of lpksetup.exe in the process list).
2) Again, no experience with Steam personally, but I do know that it's not exactly a performance enhancer .
3) Are you really running a monitor that doesn't merge sync and sync on green? If not, you don't really need this.
4) Good - again, anything you don't absolutely need running immediately at logon can be set to not start and thus will only run when you need them. This is a good idea no matter what, anyway, so good to do.
5) Yet you're having performance issues - please stop assuming because something worked fine before that it's also doing so now.
6) See #5
That was what stood out for me in this as well. It may have been fine on another install, but it doesn't mean it is now. Why would be another question, but if it is the issue, it is whether it worked fine before or not. A Guy
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18 Dec 2011   #53
senjougahara

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
1) If you've installed a Japanese LPK, try removing it (and migrating back to English) to see if that has any effect (check for the existence of lpksetup.exe in the process list).
2) Again, no experience with Steam personally, but I do know that it's not exactly a performance enhancer .
3) Are you really running a monitor that doesn't merge sync and sync on green? If not, you don't really need this.
4) Good - again, anything you don't absolutely need running immediately at logon can be set to not start and thus will only run when you need them. This is a good idea no matter what, anyway, so good to do.
5) Yet you're having performance issues - please stop assuming because something worked fine before that it's also doing so now.
6) See #5


1) Tried it, It's still the same I don't know if this is important but I always used English, I had it to practice from time to time xD

2) I know xD but I have it since Feb 2009 and I never ever had a performance problem caused by it, I'm sure it's not Steam

3) I don't know what's that , I just have it because if I don't enable it I start seeing weird lines in white and grey combination backgrounds (I made a thread for this and this was the only *sort of* solution)

4) Nice to know I'd just leave them to be off at startup

5 & 6) But I've formatted tons of times and used the same programs until now, I never had this problem before, just in the last 2 times I formatted. As gregrocker said, maybe it is something with the drivers?



@A guy I'd like to know why isn't start up working OK this time as well I hope I can find the solution and fix it soon
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18 Dec 2011   #54
gregrocker

 

Did you try reinstalling or updating the display driver to solve the display issue? It shouldn't require running the Catalyst bloatware to solve this.
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18 Dec 2011   #55
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

I would suggest trying this - install Windows 7 with just your drivers (and for now, avoid the CCC control panel and just install ATI drivers) and all Windows Updates, and get a boot trace. Then, add what you absolutely need, and get a second trace. Compress them both and upload them, and we'll have a look and see before/after.
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19 Dec 2011   #56
senjougahara

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Did you try reinstalling or updating the display driver to solve the display issue? It shouldn't require running the Catalyst bloatware to solve this.
Tried it. Even if I uninstall catalyst control center it happens too

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
I would suggest trying this - install Windows 7 with just your drivers (and for now, avoid the CCC control panel and just install ATI drivers) and all Windows Updates, and get a boot trace. Then, add what you absolutely need, and get a second trace. Compress them both and upload them, and we'll have a look and see before/after.

So first Windows 7 with my drivers right? (is there a way to install ATi Drivers without CCC?) First Motherboard then GPU and then upgrade them with Windows Update? I'll have to back up and I'll try it and (since I'm really busy, and I mean REALLY, I'm sorry ) report back most likely tomorrow. I really apologize for not being able to do it today
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19 Dec 2011   #57
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

That's OK mate - take your time. It's not like the forum is going anywhere .

As to your question - yes. Install Windows 7 SP1, then install the ATI drivers without control panel (there's a download option on the ATI / AMD site where you get the driver bundle that will contain the drivers without the control panel, but you sometimes have to scroll down on the download page to find them), then any other hardware drivers you need. Once that's done (and your device manager shows all devices installed), run Windows Update and get all updates until there are no more when you check.

Then, reboot 5 times (yes, 5 times - it's specific for superfetch and readyboot), run defrag C: /u /v (assuming C: is the drive letter for Windows) from an elevated cmd prompt, run defrag c: /b from the same elevated cmd prompt when the previous defrag finishes, and then reboot once more. Install the Perf Toolkit and get a boot trace as before, and then tell us "how it feels", performance-wise, after all that (since you're busy, I'll not expect anything soon - I'll keep an eye on this thread).

Next, install your system as you always would, software and all, and once that's all done do the defrag steps as previously described above, reboot, and get another boot trace. Again, tell us "how it feels" after doing all of that as well.
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19 Dec 2011   #58
gregrocker

 

We've been through all of this before. When I connected via remote I had turned off the Startup programs which apparently were turned right back on again. I explained CCC needed to come out, that it's bloatware which causes many problems. And I've explained that he needs to use the drivers given by the installer and quickly updated via optional Windows Updates for awhile to check performance, before changing them out to manufacturer's drivers.

Win7 is driver-complete and the authority on its own drivers. This is not XP. Only change out drivers which are causing performance issues.

Changing out drivers given by the installer and updated via optional Windows Updates is a big cause of performance issues.
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19 Dec 2011   #59
senjougahara

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
That's OK mate - take your time. It's not like the forum is going anywhere .

As to your question - yes. Install Windows 7 SP1, then install the ATI drivers without control panel (there's a download option on the ATI / AMD site where you get the driver bundle that will contain the drivers without the control panel, but you sometimes have to scroll down on the download page to find them), then any other hardware drivers you need. Once that's done (and your device manager shows all devices installed), run Windows Update and get all updates until there are no more when you check.

Then, reboot 5 times (yes, 5 times - it's specific for superfetch and readyboot), run defrag C: /u /v (assuming C: is the drive letter for Windows) from an elevated cmd prompt, run defrag c: /b from the same elevated cmd prompt when the previous defrag finishes, and then reboot once more. Install the Perf Toolkit and get a boot trace as before, and then tell us "how it feels", performance-wise, after all that (since you're busy, I'll not expect anything soon - I'll keep an eye on this thread).

Next, install your system as you always would, software and all, and once that's all done do the defrag steps as previously described above, reboot, and get another boot trace. Again, tell us "how it feels" after doing all of that as well.

Ahh so I download them , no need to use my CD right?
what are those commands for? I only have one Hard disk drive with no partitions (I don't know if that's what you mean)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
We've been through all of this before. When I connected via remote I had turned off the Startup programs which apparently were turned right back on again. I explained CCC needed to come out, that it's bloatware which causes many problems. And I've explained that he needs to use the drivers given by the installer and quickly updated via optional Windows Updates for awhile to check performance, before changing them out to manufacturer's drivers.

Win7 is driver-complete and the authority on its own drivers. This is not XP. Only change out drivers which are causing performance issues.

Changing out drivers given by the installer and updated via optional Windows Updates is a big cause of performance issues.
Let me get this clear. I have to install drivers from my CDs first and then download windows 7 drivers from Windows Update, right? You guys are contradicting yourselves xD
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19 Dec 2011   #60
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by senjougahara View Post
what are those commands for? I only have one Hard disk drive with no partitions (I don't know if that's what you mean)
Those commands will (first) defragment the hard disk using specific options, and then (second) do a "boot optimization" defrag pass, which specifically looks to affect the areas of disk that are impacted during boot.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by senjougahara View Post
Let me get this clear. I have to install drivers from my CDs first and then download windows 7 drivers from Windows Update, right? You guys are contradicting yourselves xD
Well, not really, but it can be somewhat confusing the first few times you have to get your hands dirty like this. Ultimately, what I think we're all trying to convey is that if you can get away with NOT installing any drivers off of the CD that shipped with the PC, do so. If you absolutely need the network drivers before you can access the internet from a clean Win7 install, then that's OK, but it would be better to start absolutely clean and use only download/install updated drivers from the vendor's websites directly, and the drivers on the CD should be avoided for this test at all costs.


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