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Windows 7: SSD; Moved 'Users' and 'ProgData', SP1 OK. About 'Program Files'?

19 Jan 2012   #1
USASAgencyman

Win7 x 64 Ultimate
 
 
SSD; Moved 'Users' and 'ProgData', SP1 OK. About 'Program Files'?

Unattend .xml answer file worked great on 2600K build, updates are smooth, machine stable for 8 x 8 folding at 100% all cores, and as much varied work as I could throw at it all the while.

I have read about the idea of moving Program Files too, but don't know if the risk is worth it. I like keeping C:\ as small as possible, but are there common programs that will barf if they don't find Program Files on C:\?

If anyone has done this, did you use the Unattend answer file method on build?

Thanks in advance for any input, about to trash my own current build on this SR2.

Bruce


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19 Jan 2012   #2
stormy13
Microsoft MVP

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Bruce welcome to the Seven Forums.

A much easier option than trying to move the Program Files folder (which I'm not even sure if it is possible) is to just install your programs to the HDD. Most programs give a custom option during install where you can choose where to install it, usually just by changing the drive letter in the "install to" line. Doing that you then end up with a "new" Program Files folder as well. Just install those programs that either don't cooperate and let you choose, or those that ideally should be on C (AV, etc).
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19 Jan 2012   #3
USASAgencyman

Win7 x 64 Ultimate
 
 

Stormy,

I had to go with something this afternoon and decided to be happy building it with 'Users' and 'ProgramData' on D:\, -and against trying to build with Program Files moved to D:\, and have done as you said, loaded most all of them to D:\ by using the dialog boxes for the path option.

I had never been aware of how high of a percentage of programs allow this. I had just been going with the suggested path to the usual C:\. Only a few insisted on C:\, and a few I decided myself to place there for reasons I can only attribute to - gut feeling.

So I have a much leaner SSD now; only 57 Gb used out of the 120 odd Gb available, versus having almost 3/4 of it consumed, and most of my usual list is now installed.

Thanks for taking the time to reply,
Bruce
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20 Jan 2012   #4
startas

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Do you move these folders to another ssd or to simple hdd ? because if you are moving your folders to hdd, then your ssd is useless.
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20 Jan 2012   #5
USASAgencyman

Win7 x 64 Ultimate
 
 

In the case of this customer's machine, we have 16 Gb RAM, so the most used parts of the program are loaded from HDD and run with little swapping, and the goal is to have a very large Scratchpad on C:\ for the Adobe batch renderings, etc.

You bring up an interesting concept though. Now I have to consider which programs might be hampered by having user and Program Data Folders, as well as program files when so installed on D:\.

Thanks for the input. This is not solved yet.

The best solution will come when very large and affordable SSDs evolve.

Bruce
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20 Jan 2012   #6
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Be aware that moving the ProgramData folder will break servicing, so the next time a service pack or a major servicing engine patch comes out you're going to be rebuilding rather than upgrading. Just be aware that folder is finnicky when it comes to servicing, and one of the drawbacks of moving it means you can't service the OS going forward. Moving the rest is technically OK, although for Program Files it is usually better to leave that alone (due to UAC trust paths being broken if you move it) and just force installation for new programs to the \Program Files folder on whichever drive you desire. I have had updates in the past for both Windows and other software packages that don't work or don't work properly due to the location. If you've tested the apps and they work OK from a different location (technically they should, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they always will), you should be OK.
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20 Jan 2012   #7
USASAgencyman

Win7 x 64 Ultimate
 
 
SP1 installed smoothly

I only hope that is a prediction for smooth sailing ahead on small or major updates.

I read the threads on moving such things after O.S. is up, but decided to move them during the build, so with some luck, Windows will notice the current paths.

Bruce
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20 Jan 2012   #8
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I wouldn't have moved any of those files off of the SSD, to be honest. What's the point of a fast drive if you move so much off of it? I ran with a 64 GB SSD for a while, and only moved my games to a spinner.
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20 Jan 2012   #9
USASAgencyman

Win7 x 64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I wouldn't have moved any of those files off of the SSD, to be honest. What's the point of a fast drive if you move so much off of it? I ran with a 64 GB SSD for a while, and only moved my games to a spinner.
I'm still trying to learn the basics. The first go around, I had only about a third of the drive left after O.S. and lots of programs, which seemed less than a good starting point, knowing how C: always soon filled up.

The main programs in this case are the Adobe CS. I actually DO have them on C:, as well as some others.

I have zero experience with tracking RAM use and virtual memory usage during large batch processes,

Also, in my experience, even short HD vids consume vast resources of memory and disk. I want as much room as possible on the SSD C: for all this.

I don't give a rat's posterior about how fast most of the daily routine apps load when launching.

Still, I have much to research; I have, until recently, been mostly unaware of the discussions about the need to do the relocation, or the arguments that it fails to help.

But all input helps steer me, this thread, toward resolution.

Thanks for all responses.
Bruce
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20 Jan 2012   #10
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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So I have a much leaner SSD now; only 57 Gb used out of the 120 odd Gb available, versus having almost 3/4 of it consumed, and most of my usual list is now installed.

Why are you actually doing that. Do you want to save the space on the SSD for a rainy day. And I do not think it is a good idea all together - maybe for large games, but not for the bread and butter programs. My systems run on 60GB SSDs and I never moved a program file of which I have 24.500 in the x64 and x86 folders together (as per Properties).
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