| Windows 7: Static Electricity and earth straps |
19 Mar 2013
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#1 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Cornwall UK |
Static Electricity and earth straps I am a great believer in always wearing an earth strap when I go inside a PC. Some on this board have the view that this is not necessary!
Lets look at what static electricity is! It is simply high voltage electricity with no current. It can and often does reach very high voltages. When you get that spark between your finger and a car door that can be measured at about 500v.
Different people generate different levels of static even though all other factors may be the same. You can have two people dressed in similar clothes next to each other at the same bench with wildly differening levels of static being generated! Certain atmospheric conditions create differing levels ie humidity, temperature, barometric pressure and a multitude of other conditions! Personally I generate a fairly high level of static as everytime I walk past our home radio we get quite severe interference. So my view is that as there are so many variables in the generation of static electricity it is better to err on the safe side and always recommend the use of a good earth strap. Better safe that sorry. I think it is encumbant upon all here who affer their advice and help to take a resposible attitude towards this problem and recommend the use of a strap but I would be pleased to hear what others think! | My System Specs |
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19 Mar 2013
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I have moved to using the "earth strap" (even though I haven't heard it called that) when working on PC's. I have fixed many a computer by grounding myself to the case by holding/touching the metal casing and have had no issues with it. I have heard of people never using one and never having any problems. but.... better safe than sorry. it is good practice to use it so that there is no doubt that the hardware is safe.
Edit: also, another reason for using it is that I have started working on laptops more and there isn't a lot of metal to ground yourself to. so it is easier to ground if you are wearing the strap.
I have known it as an anti-static wrist-strap. | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number ASUS G60-RBBX05 OS Win7 Home Premium 64x CPU Intel Core 2 Duo P7450 / 2.13 GHz (2.29 with Extreme Turbo) Memory 4 GB PC-6400 Hyundai (2X2) at 800Mhz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M 1GB DDR3 VRAM Monitor(s) Displays 16" LED Backlit Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 on laptop 1600x1050 max res on 22" external mon Keyboard Chicklet type back-lit (white light) keyboard Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse 3200dpi and 1000 reports per minute PSU 6-cell Lithium ion { lasts 1.5 hours } Case ASUS G60 Laptop Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD / 320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm Internet Speed Comcast 8.60mb/s up - 3.11mb/s down Antivirus MSE Browser Firefox Other Info General mid-budget gaming Comp. Low batterylife - High FrameRates - currently overheating problems :(
2nd Rig: Case: Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
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CPU: AMD FX-6200 Zambezi 3.8GHz (4.1GHz Turbo)
Heatsink: COOLER MASTER V8 CPU Cooler
RAM: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1866 (PC3 15000)
GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 1GB 2 |
19 Mar 2013
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
I totally respect the use of a grounding band. I have two and I used to use the first one until my first build. Somehow I forgot to wear it and all came out well. Now on my umpteenth build all on carpet I haven't had an issue yet. But I agree that it's a risk I'm taking. By constantly touching the case and other things I discharge any build up. And as you're only as good as the actual ground your making and 99% of the time you'll place the clip on that same case it's all the same. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
19 Mar 2013
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Manchester UK |
A slightly off topic, but funny earth strap story -
a neighbor rang and said 'I've been given a monitor and its got a great big earth strap - what do I connect it to'
Intrigued, I went round to have a look. It was a stolen monitor with a kensington lock and a sawn through security cable. Well, I do live on a council estate (aka projects in US)
earth strap LOL | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self build OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel i7-2600k o/c to 4.6GHz Motherboard MSI Z68-GD80 Memory 8GB Mushkin 1866MHz Graphics Card Radeon HD5770 Sound Card integrated Monitor(s) Displays Liyama ProLite 27" Screen Resolution 1920*1080 px PSU Coolermaster GX 750W Case Antec 300 case + 6 fans Hard Drives Seagate 2TB Internet Speed 58Mbit down 15Mbit up Other Info Blackgold BGT3650 Quad HD TV card |
19 Mar 2013
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#5 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
Anybody that has looked into static electricity knows their are many variables. You could read for a year on the subject. I don't think after a small amount of research anybody can could think that static electricity is not a problem. The problem varies from person to person but is always there. It's so cheep to buy a strap it's not worth arguing about. With today's plastic in PC's and Laptops to me a static strap would be a wise move. I have one and I use it. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
19 Mar 2013
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x86 Massachusetts |
Just to throw it into the discussion to be safe 
Touching the case (or even better the power converter housing) only makes sense as long as the power cable is still attached !
And what mitchell said about 500V static charges...in my experience those sparks you pull can easily be more than 10.000V thus fry an innocent,unsuspecting chip or circuit | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP m8000n OS Windows 7 Ultimate x86 CPU DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2600 MHz 5200+ Motherboard Asus M2N68-LA (Narra) Memory Samsung 2GB DDR2 Graphics Card Onboard NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 Sound Card Onboard nVIDIA nForce 6100-430 (MCP61P) Monitor(s) Displays Westinghouse 19" LED Screen Resolution 1280x1024 Keyboard Logitech Classic KB 200 Mouse Standard HP opticle USB mouse PSU Stock (HP) Case Stock (HP) Cooling Stock Hard Drives SATA II Seagate Barracuda 500GB
USB II WD Elements 500GB
USB II WD My Book 1TB
USB II WD My Book 2TB |
19 Mar 2013
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Southern California |
Excellent point so if you ground your wrist strap to the case and it's not plugged in your still not effectively grounding and how many of us keep the case plugged in? I just don't touch things but from edges, constantly touch grounded objects and damn the torpedoes as they say. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number A blend of brains, brawn and dumb luck, ask me about rig #2 ! OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 CPU i7 3770k OC'd 4.6 @ 1.17v, still love my FX 8120 Motherboard MSI P67A-GD80 b3 Memory 16 gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 9-9-9-27 @ 2000 Graphics Card XFX Radeon 7870 Sound Card On board HD audio with lossless 24 bit/192 sample rate Monitor(s) Displays (2) LG LED 23" 1920 x 1080 2ms Monitors via mini d-port Screen Resolution 1680 X 1050 p Keyboard (2) Logitech Illuminated Keyboards (1) usb (1) wireless K800 Mouse Logitech G9x & T-BC21 - nano nx for the laptop PSU Ultra X4 modular 1050 watt 80% silver rating & APC 1200 RS Case CoolerMaster Storm Styker Cooling 6 case fans 140mm & 120mm, Thermaltake h2o extreme Hard Drives Samsung 256 gb 830 SSD sata III
(2) 1 tb Hitachi deskmates/sata II
(1) 1 tb WD green/sata II
(2) 2 tb WD My Book/esata
(1) 500 gb Sea. Freeagent/esata
(2) 250 gb Sea. Freeagent go's/usb
(1) WD 2 tb Green 64 sata III
(1) 120 gb OCZ Vertex SS Internet Speed Upgraded from bottom of the barrel to bareable Other Info 4 Noctua case fans + 3 Noctua in p/p on H100 cooler
Integrated hot swap drive bays for 2.5" Drives
(2) Lite-on dvd/cd optical 22X
Integrated fan controller and led on/off
HP Officejet Pro L7680 all-n-one
HP 4 laserjet (the beast)
Hot swappable 3.5" hard drive bay
Belkin Play N600 HD router
Asus USB 3 & sata 6 PCIe card
Vantec IDE to sata adptr./Ultra sata adptr
HP Probook i3 laptop |
19 Mar 2013
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#8 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
As he said.
David Farragut | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
19 Mar 2013
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#9 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Malmö, Sweden |
I have never used a anti static wrist band, all I do is turn off the Power back on the PSU carry my computer to the kitchen table then I touch either my PSU or my case (Corsair 800D) and never have I had any problems with this and done this a lot of times. And to be honest even if I had a anti static wrist band I have no idea where I would plug the other end of it
Other thing I do sometimes is to touch a element | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel Core i7 860 (Lynnfield) Motherboard Asus P7P55D (LGA1156) Memory Corsair Vengeance 9,9,9,24 1600Mhz 1.50v 2x4G Graphics Card Asus nVidia 560 GTX Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays Acer P235H & NEC E201W Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 900x1600 Keyboard Ducky Shine Mouse tT Theron PSU Corsair 650 Modular Case Corsair 800D Cooling Corsair H80 with Noctua fans Hard Drives 2 Internet Speed 100/100 Browser IE10 |
19 Mar 2013
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#10 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 Cornwall UK |

Quote: Originally Posted by Andreas W I have never used a anti static wrist band, all I do is turn off the Power back on the PSU carry my computer to the kitchen table then I touch either my PSU or my case (Corsair 800D) and never have I had any problems with this and done this a lot of times. And to be honest even if I had a anti static wrist band I have no idea where I would plug the other end of it
Other thing I do sometimes is to touch a element Then IMHO you have been very lucky! One day when you find your memory modules are fried you will probably remember this thread! | My System Specs | | OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8H77-M Memory 8.00 GB Graphics Card Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 Sound Card On Board Monitor(s) Displays Dell 24" Hard Drives (1) INTEL SSDSC2CT180A3 ATA Device (2) ST500DM002-1BD142 ATA Device (3) WDC WD3200AAKS-75L9A0 ATA Device (4) Generic- Compact Flash USB Device (5) Generic- MS/MS-Pro USB Device (6) Generic- SD/MMC USB Device (7) Generic- SM/xD-Picture USB Internet Speed 20Mb Static Electricity and earth straps problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 AM. | |