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11 May 2013   #11
fezbombmatt

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
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The Pagefile only kicks in when the RAM is running low. Which is never in my case.
Wrong. No operating system in living memory has ever worked that way.

The pagefile is not simply some kind of overflow area used only when RAM is short. It is used as a place to offload rarely used data leaving more of your fast memory for more important purposes. It will generally improve performance.

A RAMDisk was once a useful thing, back in the dark ages of DOS. But those days are long gone. Modern operating systems have a sophisticated system cache that provides most of the advantages of a RAMDisk with fewer problems. The OS can usually make better use of RAM than a RAMDisk.
Oh, im slightly confused as if i have plenty of free RAM, why would the pagefile kick in? Does windows set a limit of some kind that it wants to be 'active' if you like at a time?

If you had even more RAM installed say 16GB, wouldn't disabling it help things? Its 1 less thing for the HDD to do..


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11 May 2013   #12
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

No disabling it wont help. Check out the superfetch link in my last post that I edited
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11 May 2013   #13
fezbombmatt

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That link was quite useful. I already had a basic understanding of it, turns out its a little more advanced of what i previously thought.

But still i would like to know why windows would NOT benefit from just having more RAM and not using the pagefile at all.
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11 May 2013   #14
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

SuperFetch' second goal is to make applications launch faster. SuperFetch does this by pre-loading your most often used applications in your main memory, based on not only usage patterns, but also on when you use them. For instance, if you have the same routine every morning (Chrome - Mail - Miranda - blu), SuperFetch will pre-load these into memory in the morning. If your evening routine is different (for instance, it includes Word, Excel, and Super Awesome Garden Designer), SuperFetch will adapt, and load those in memory instead during the evening.


Pre-load being the key
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11 May 2013   #15
whs
Microsoft MVP

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You never said for what functions you want to increase the performance.

Most operations are bottlenecked by the disk, that's where a SSD is a great help. Internet operations are obviously dependent on your internet speed - no RAM or SSD will help here. Number crunching like when you do video encoding depends on the muscle of the CPU and for games you depend on the GPU performance.

So if you were a bit more specific about your performance wishes, maybe we can find a solution (which may cost money).
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11 May 2013   #16
fezbombmatt

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Thats pretty much what i read from your link.

I was thinking if the Pagefile did not exist, and Windows never page'd any running files as there would ALWAYS be enough RAM available lets say, wouldn't that work better?

For Windows to never have to worry about how much resources its running at one time.

Superfetch does an amazing job at the end of the day though.
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11 May 2013   #17
fezbombmatt

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
You never said for what functions you want to increase the performance.

Most operations are bottlenecked by the disk, that's where a SSD is a great help. Internet operations are obviously dependent on your internet speed - no RAM or SSD will help here. Number crunching like when you do video encoding depends on the muscle of the CPU and for games you depend on the GPU performance.

So if you were a bit more specific about your performance wishes, maybe we can find a solution (which may cost money).
Just in general performance for application loading times, im not requiring all this performance im just enquiring what is possible with extra RAM involved really.
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11 May 2013   #18
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Forget the RAM, that won't help and for an efficient RAMdisk you need a lot more RAM. I suggest you get an SSD for the OS. A good 128GB model will cost a bit over $100 but it will make a world of difference.

Watch this - a little video I once made booting Windows 8 from an SSD - and that is in a virtual partition which is slower than in native installations.

Start Win8 in vBox1.wmv - YouTube
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11 May 2013   #19
fezbombmatt

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I couldnt settle for anything less than a Cherryville

Thats if i do consider a SSD
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11 May 2013   #20
Dude

Windows 10 Pro X64
 
 

WHS is right, using an SSD would be a big performance increase for you.
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