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Windows 7: Memory management stress testing: Lol, I love 7


07 May 2009   #11

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ENZO View Post
So, your telling me that 4GB of ram is sufficient enough to run Windows 7 without pagefile and its likely it wont crash?

Enzo.

Yes. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to eat it all.

Photoshop CS4 (x64) can chew it up quickly but, generally, not so bad that you would crash. Besides, Windows will warn you if you're low. You would be absolutely fine with 4GB.


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07 May 2009   #12

win 7 rc
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikami View Post
hey guys how do you make all the windows small like in the op's picture?
anyone?
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07 May 2009   #13

W7 RTM Ultimate x64
 
 

hmm, what about photoshop cs3?

im considering it

Enzo.
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08 May 2009   #14

W7 RTM Ultimate x64
 
 

One small problem, i cant remember where the pagefile setting are located, anyone wana point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Enzo.
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09 May 2009   #15

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ENZO View Post
One small problem, i cant remember where the pagefile setting are located, anyone wana point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Enzo.
Click the Start button or press the Windows key, type "pagefile" and select "How to change the size of virtual memory."
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09 May 2009   #16

W7 RTM Ultimate x64
 
 

ok ok,
A. i found it and turned it off.
B. restarted and came to the conclusion my computer was lagging like a fat man in a marathon..
C. i turned PF back on..
D. back to normal speed


Enzo.
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09 May 2009   #17

Windows 7 build 7127 x64
 
 

I have disabled it with 4gb of memory and did no notice any change in performance at all. I will keep it like this for some time.

My question is, do the pagefile is actually used if your memory is not completly full? If no, what's the point to disable it?
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10 May 2009   #18

Vista (x64)
 
 

We are now discussing which is faster at paging, RAM or HDD - the answer is obvious...RAM! What needs to be explained, is how using RAM-based-Paging affects the swapping process and ALL contents within the memory system.

Windows (Vista and beyond) will try to max out your memory usage with items that you consistently use. With this form of memory management, the purpose of paging is to keep a sorted list of all objects and relieve RAM of the more redundant objects. Think of a pagefile as being a clone of what's currently in RAM + what COULD be useful, but just isn't at that time. Even though they don't belong in the RAM, they still benefit by being sorted and kept in a special place. This is why having your pagefile located in the proper place can be important. Non-fragmented pagefiles located at the beginning of good-performing disks can ensure that our sorted data loads MUCH faster. Problem is, Microsoft's implementation of Pagefile-configuration doesn't include any automated quality-control. If your pagefile is scattered about or located in a low-performing location, it MAY - in some situations - increase the responsiveness of your PC by disabling the PF. However, you should note that overall it will be the opposite effect. Here’s why:

If you load up a program called 'Ms. Piggy', she's going to boss everyone around until they decide to go to another room (aka the pagefile). If the building has no other room, they're going to either leave the building completely, or partition the first room. This partitioning will cause Ms. Piggy to place her purse in the other room, and force all but the very-most-VIPs (if not everyone) to go home. When Ms Piggy’s number is over, we run into a problem... We will have to call up some cab drivers, get them to go to everybody's house and pick them and/or their stuff up and bring it back to the office. There will be traffic along the way, and maybe even a few jams…this may take a LONG, LONG TIME. On the other hand, had we actually had a pagefile - the VIPs could stick around and observe Ms Piggy's performance. At the moment it ended, the VIPs could’ve started working immediately. All the secondary staff and related files could also be brought back in from the nearby storage area. Maybe that storage area was located on another floor, maybe it was a mail-room, doesn’t really matter cause it still beats having to travel across town.

Again, EVERYONE should understand that this ONLY pertain to a Windows OS of Vista and beyond (greater than XP...). In windows XP, RAM is NOT properly used by the OS in any manner; Paging takes on a virtual-memory-like role as opposed to the queuing-role that is used in Vista and 7. BUT!!! Because XP doesn't use extended amounts RAM except when required, using that space as an enhanced-paging-file can be a possible way to trick Windows into keeping more objects inside RAM. This is why Disabling/enabling a PF in XP can be a matter of discussion, in Vista and up, it generally can-not.

XP: If you have LOTS of RAM...and aren't in threat of any programs going bonkers due to a lack of a large-PF - disabled can offer benefits.

'Vista and beyond': RAM should be filled down to 0MB free by the OS. Programs should load faster and quieter, PF usage handles all the tracking and relocation of lesser-used apps/data in the background. No benefits should be gained by disabling a PF.

The arguments of NO PF are based almost ENTIRELY on the XP loophole. It does not hold true for later operating systems.

I proably should have clarified some of these things the first time around...I'm not that good at organizing thoughts in a one-shot environment...sry bout that.
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11 May 2009   #19

Windows 7 64
 
 

Probably the best explanation of the pagefile I've read (and I've read quite a few).
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11 May 2009   #20

W7 RTM Ultimate x64
 
 

Im to dumb to understand it :S, not really i getcha

Enzo.
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