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Windows 7: Optimizing my SSD install.

18 Jun 2014   #11
ignatzatsonic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AnthonyP View Post

How do I check alignment?
You can check it with a benchmark tool.

You should do a benchmark anyway to satisfy yourself that your SSD is healthy and operating as intended.

Google for the AS SSD benchmark tool as shown in the pic below.

Note in the upper left where it says "1024 OK". The OK means it's properly aligned. The number isn't critical, but the key point is that it is evenly divisible by 4.




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18 Jun 2014   #12
AnthonyP

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

They're both 4k aligned. Thanks for your help.


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18 Jun 2014   #13
ignatzatsonic

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The access times and read times in your benchmarks are relatively slow for an SSD, but I can't say if that would account for your relatively slow boot.

You might have something else going that would be revealed by a tool such as Process Monitor from Microsoft. It's just a matter of how concerned you are. It may reveal nothing, and then you are left with just accepting the SSD for what it is.
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18 Jun 2014   #14
AnthonyP

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
The access times and read times in your benchmarks are relatively slow for an SSD, but I can't say if that would account for your relatively slow boot.

You might have something else going that would be revealed by a tool such as Process Monitor from Microsoft. It's just a matter of how concerned you are. It may reveal nothing, and then you are left with just accepting the SSD for what it is.
What's this process monitor going to show me or do I have to look for it? I haven't had the SSD long. It's still under warranty. I don't know if its bad enough to RMA though I do want an SSD that works well though.


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18 Jun 2014   #15
ignatzatsonic

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Process Monitor

I think I played with it a few years ago, but didn't have any significant problems at the time. I was just curious. It's a serious tool from Mark Russinovich, a guru of some renown.

There's another tool that more directly targets booting details, but I can't recall the name.
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18 Jun 2014   #16
AnthonyP

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

I posted the bench for my other SSD is that one messed up too? What am I looking for in process monitor, there is so much information...
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18 Jun 2014   #17
ignatzatsonic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AnthonyP View Post
I posted the bench for my other SSD is that one messed up too? What am I looking for in process monitor, there is so much information...
I'm not going to tell you either is screwed up or that either is responsible for your boot times.

Maybe they are performing better than 9 out of 10 OCZ SSDs of that model. I have no idea. They are both properly aligned.

You are on your own with Process Monitor.

I think MS has some other tools used to dig into the boot process. You might Google the phrase "boot trace" and see what you get. Some of the tools may not be available for download to ordinary civilians.
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18 Jun 2014   #18
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi there.

Slow boot times - especially from an SSD usually mean that you've got too many startup services running -- see if you can cut these down to a minimum -- and also ensure that the paging device is also on the SSD rather than a traditional spinner.

Even a "Slow" (almost a contradiction in terms !!) SSD will give you far better performance than any sort of spinner -- even expensive 10,000 RPM SCSI devices !!.

If your PC is really old the SSD will actually give you even better performance - paradoxically enough !!. Always ensure though there's sufficient RAM in the system for the OS you are running.

Don't share the SSD with another IDE device if you have the older type with an IDE connection (Master / Slave stuff). SSD's should only go to dedicated SATA ports on the Mobo. If you have an older IDE SSD connection keep it ALONE on that connecton. These are quite rare now but DO exist for connecting SSD's to older computers without SATA ports.

My advice always though is not to go with the bog standard cheapest peripherals when you want decent performance as you'll always find out (the hard way) that it's false economy.

The best bang for buck performance wise are either the INTEL or SAMSUNG 840 series SSD's -- they cost a little more but in reliability and performance they are hard to beat. I believe also the VERTEX stuff has now gone out of production -- could be wrong there but I'm sure I read about that recently.

Cheers
jimbo
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18 Jun 2014   #19
AnthonyP

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there.

Slow boot times - especially from an SSD usually mean that you've got too many startup services running -- see if you can cut these down to a minimum -- and also ensure that the paging device is also on the SSD rather than a traditional spinner.

Even a "Slow" (almost a contradiction in terms !!) SSD will give you far better performance than any sort of spinner -- even expensive 10,000 RPM SCSI devices !!.

If your PC is really old the SSD will actually give you even better performance - paradoxically enough !!. Always ensure though there's sufficient RAM in the system for the OS you are running.

Don't share the SSD with another IDE device if you have the older type with an IDE connection (Master / Slave stuff). SSD's should only go to dedicated SATA ports on the Mobo. If you have an older IDE SSD connection keep it ALONE on that connecton. These are quite rare now but DO exist for connecting SSD's to older computers without SATA ports.

My advice always though is not to go with the bog standard cheapest peripherals when you want decent performance as you'll always find out (the hard way) that it's false economy.

The best bang for buck performance wise are either the INTEL or SAMSUNG 840 series SSD's -- they cost a little more but in reliability and performance they are hard to beat. I believe also the VERTEX stuff has now gone out of production -- could be wrong there but I'm sure I read about that recently.

Cheers
jimbo
Is there a list of services I can disable? Also by paging device you mean the pagefile for virtual memory right? Thanks for those tips!
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19 Jun 2014   #20
gregrocker

 

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1 Brother control center (printer software)
2 Catalyst Control Center
3 Keyboard macro program
4 intel delayed launcher (RST)
5 ESET (AV)
6 Install Shield update service-isuspm.exe
7 Install Shield update service-issch.exe
8 intel(R)common user interface-igfxtray.exe
9i ntel(R)common user interface-hkcmd.exe
10 intel(R)common user interface-igfxpers.exe
11 Malwarebytes
12 Virtu Control Panel

How many non-Microsoft services do you have running a couple of minutes after booting? 8? 28?

>23
You dont' need any of those Startups or Services besides your AV and the printer if you need to scan from printer top. Period. I run a Clean Boot on all of my installs with perfect performance. All others are freeloaders starting on Win7's back for no good reason other than to spy on you to sell your consumer data to advertisers for extra income.

CCC is monstrous bloatware traced hundreds of times here to issues. If you don't need specific controls it provides then uninstall it and default only to the display driver which is all that's needed.

If you have Malwarebytes paid protection then it needs to start otherwise uncheck it as its only an on-demand scanner. I only have users buy MBAM if they get chronically infected. MSE is sufficient for most and offers best performance. If turning off all the freeloaders at boot doesn't resolve your issue then uninstall ESET and install MSE to see the difference.

Finally, compare the install you did with the perfect install in Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 which compiles everything that's worked best here since beta in tens of thousands of installs we've helped with.
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