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Windows 7: Startup Repair Not working after disk defragmentation

24 Jul 2014   #41
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

First prove your D-disk is healthy
Code:
chkdsk/f  d:
A lot of things repaired? Unrepairable things? Run it again to see if no more errors. All fixed... then continue.

Is winload.exe now in the correct folder? If so:
Do startup repair 3x

All the problems you have are most likely due to D disk corruption. The recovery tools don't work because .... win7 installation is a little bit corrupt.


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24 Jul 2014   #42
Rokeugon

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

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Code:
bcdboot  d:\windows  /s  c:
What happens?

Code:
bcdedit /enum all
Do you see the win7 boot entry?
Results:

1. BFSVC unable to load MUI file for bcd Strings <2>

2. yes for example

Windows boot manager
---------------------------
Indentifer {bootmgr}
Device Partition=C:
Path \bootmgr

etc etc and has another 2 columns of info etc
I'm interested in identifier {default} . Or better said: All items pointing to D:
well i cant really screen cap it as i dont know how to or im guessing il need to put something on a memory stick etc but the only way as of now is me taking down notes and what needs to be given
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24 Jul 2014   #43
Rokeugon

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
First prove your D-disk is healthy
Code:
chkdsk/f  d:
A lot of things repaired? Unrepairable things? Run it again to see if no more errors. All fixed... then continue.

Is winload.exe now in the correct folder? If so:
Do startup repair 3x

All the problems you have are most likely due to D disk corruption. The recovery tools don't work because .... win7 installation is a little bit corrupt.
i never seen winload.exe in the list but here is previous results

1.Dir Win*.* 21files / 2 Directorys

2.
Code:
D:\Windows\System32\win32.sys
D:\Windows\System32\winbid.dll
D:\Windows\System32\windrand.dll
D:\Windows\System32\windowsanytimeupgrade.exe
D:\Windows\System32\wincodes.dll
D:\Windows\System32\wincodesext.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winethec.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winHTTP.dll
D:\Windows\System32\wininect.dll 
D:\Windows\System32\winlogon.exe
D:\Windows\System32\winmm.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winnis.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winrnr.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winsatapl.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winscard.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winsockhc.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winspool.drv
D:\Windows\System32\winsrv.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winsta.dll
D:\Windows\System32\wintrust.dll
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24 Jul 2014   #44
Rokeugon

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
First prove your D-disk is healthy
Code:
chkdsk/f  d:
A lot of things repaired? Unrepairable things? Run it again to see if no more errors. All fixed... then continue.

All the problems you have are most likely due to D disk corruption. The recovery tools don't work because .... win7 installation is a little bit corrupt.
well i never scanned the D: fully in the first place i only got to around 39% before i went to bed - but if you want me to scan it and check il do it but will take hours on end

im guessing it just scans the files inside that disk for any corruption etc in the files ?
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24 Jul 2014   #45
Rokeugon

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
First prove your D-disk is healthy
Code:
chkdsk/f  d:
A lot of things repaired? Unrepairable things? Run it again to see if no more errors. All fixed... then continue.

Is winload.exe now in the correct folder? If so:
Do startup repair 3x

All the problems you have are most likely due to D disk corruption. The recovery tools don't work because .... win7 installation is a little bit corrupt.
chkdsk/f D: Results

Found no problems

however

4KB was found in bad sectors

the disk is still healthy
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24 Jul 2014   #46
gregrocker

 

I don't think you're understanding me since you keep referring to Factory Recovery. The Factory Recovery is teh same corrupt Win7 install you have now, which on HP is the worst possible install of WIn7 one can have - smothered by bloatware and duplicate utilities which have better versions built into Win7.

The install you want so you can for the first time enjoy Win7 as an OS is to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7, not run Factory Recovery.

However some later model HP's have a Minimal Recovery which is nearly the same as a Clean Reinstall, so if your Recovery will still run on that PC I would check if its available.

Never be afraid of having the best install of Win7 when you now have the worst one, which also will not run! It is the opportunity to have the best instead of the worst. Wouldn't that be important?
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24 Jul 2014   #47
Rokeugon

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I don't think you're understanding me since you keep referring to Factory Recovery. The Factory Recovery is teh same corrupt Win7 install you have now, which on HP is the worst possible install of WIn7 one can have - smothered by bloatware and duplicate utilities which have better versions built into Win7.

The install you want so you can for the first time enjoy Win7 as an OS is to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7, not run Factory Recovery.

However some later model HP's have a Minimal Recovery which is nearly the same as a Clean Reinstall, so if your Recovery will still run on that PC I would check if its available.

Never be afraid of having the best install of Win7 when you now have the worst one, which also will not run! It is the opportunity to have the best instead of the worst. Wouldn't that be important?
ah okey i see now - however it might be important to some but for me right now its not

for starters i dont have a Disc that can hold a max of 4GB's - maybe a USB but i cannot find one. im not afraid of having the best install of win7. im afraid of losing so much progress over the years that im not risking on doing a clean install atm. maybe once i get all the necessary files i need backed up then il do it but for now its not my highest priority. besides its a challenge for me atm and a good way to learn for my self and from other helpful people..

it might be the most easiest way out and best - but with complications that i have atm its not really the solution im looking for.

granted its still a last resort and or if i get the problem fixed - il back up and do a clean reainstall
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24 Jul 2014   #48
Yard Dog

Win 7 Home Premium SP1 32 bit
 
 

I wonder if it is possible to use a Linux Live CD to get access to get all files backed up ? Use Ubuntu Live CD to Backup Files from Your Dead Windows Computer
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24 Jul 2014   #49
Kaktussoft

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Rokeugon View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kaktussoft View Post
First prove your D-disk is healthy
Code:
chkdsk/f  d:
A lot of things repaired? Unrepairable things? Run it again to see if no more errors. All fixed... then continue.

Is winload.exe now in the correct folder? If so:
Do startup repair 3x

All the problems you have are most likely due to D disk corruption. The recovery tools don't work because .... win7 installation is a little bit corrupt.
i never seen winload.exe in the list but here is previous results

1.Dir Win*.* 21files / 2 Directorys

2.
Code:
D:\Windows\System32\win32.sys
D:\Windows\System32\winbid.dll
D:\Windows\System32\windrand.dll
D:\Windows\System32\windowsanytimeupgrade.exe
D:\Windows\System32\wincodes.dll
D:\Windows\System32\wincodesext.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winethec.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winHTTP.dll
D:\Windows\System32\wininect.dll 
D:\Windows\System32\winlogon.exe
D:\Windows\System32\winmm.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winnis.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winrnr.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winsatapl.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winscard.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winsockhc.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winspool.drv
D:\Windows\System32\winsrv.dll
D:\Windows\System32\winsta.dll
D:\Windows\System32\wintrust.dll
You are missing a lot of files!! Perform chkdsk/f d: !!
Code:
 folder C:\Windows\System32
18-06-2014  03:10         3.157.504 win32k.sys
26-04-2013  07:51           751.104 win32spl.dll
14-07-2009  03:41            78.848 winbio.dll
14-07-2009  07:32    <DIR>          WinBioDatabase
19-08-2010  02:33    <DIR>          WinBioPlugIns
14-07-2009  03:41            16.384 winbrand.dll
04-03-2014  11:44            39.936 wincredprovider.dll
14-07-2009  03:39           257.536 WindowsAnytimeUpgrade.exe
20-11-2010  15:25           294.912 WindowsAnytimeUpgradeResults.exe
14-07-2009  03:39           386.560 WindowsAnytimeUpgradeui.exe
04-02-2014  04:32         1.424.384 WindowsCodecs.dll
13-01-2013  21:25           245.248 WindowsCodecsExt.dll
14-07-2009  07:32    <DIR>          WindowsPowerShell
14-07-2009  03:41            99.328 winethc.dll
03-05-2014  06:55    <DIR>          winevt
20-11-2010  15:27           444.416 winhttp.dll
19-06-2014  00:58         2.266.112 wininet.dll
14-07-2009  03:39           129.024 wininit.exe
14-07-2009  03:41           105.472 winipsec.dll
05-02-2011  19:10           642.944 winload.efi
05-02-2011  19:06           605.552 winload.exe
04-03-2014  11:43           455.168 winlogon.exe
14-07-2009  03:41           217.600 winmm.dll
14-07-2009  03:41            26.112 winnsi.dll
05-02-2011  19:06           566.208 winresume.efi
05-02-2011  19:06           518.672 winresume.exe
24-10-2010  13:06    <DIR>          winrm
10-06-2009  23:00                35 winrm.cmd
10-06-2009  23:00           201.034 winrm.vbs
14-07-2009  03:41            28.672 winrnr.dll
14-07-2009  03:39            51.200 winrs.exe
14-07-2009  03:41           363.520 winrscmd.dll
14-07-2009  03:39            24.064 winrshost.exe
14-07-2009  03:33             1.536 winrsmgr.dll
14-07-2009  03:41            13.312 winrssrv.dll
20-11-2010  15:25         3.957.760 WinSAT.exe
20-11-2010  15:27           501.248 WinSATAPI.dll
20-11-2010  15:27           217.600 WinSCard.dll
14-07-2009  03:40            13.312 winshfhc.dll
14-07-2009  03:41            88.576 winsockhc.dll
20-11-2010  15:24           442.368 winspool.drv
14-07-2009  03:41            24.064 WINSRPC.DLL
02-08-2013  04:14           215.040 winsrv.dll
20-11-2010  15:27           235.008 winsta.dll
14-07-2009  03:41           413.696 WinSync.dll
14-07-2009  03:41           223.232 WinSyncMetastore.dll
14-07-2009  03:41           150.528 WinSyncProviders.dll
09-07-2013  07:52           224.256 wintrust.dll
14-07-2009  03:41            20.480 winusb.dll
14-07-2009  03:39            80.384 winver.exe
              45 files       20.219.949 bytes
               5 folders  73.608.085.504 bytes beschikbaar
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24 Jul 2014   #50
Rokeugon

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Yard Dog View Post
I wonder if it is possible to use a Linux Live CD to get access to get all files backed up ? Use Ubuntu Live CD to Backup Files from Your Dead Windows Computer
i guess its one way yeah - and il guess il actually need to run down to maplin to get a external HD

because i think ive figured out what the problem is here.

was reading on the technet forums for MS and seen a person desribe in depth on what the bcd command actually do and what the effect is etc (**FIX** Winload.exe Is Missing Or Corrupt (No Its Not)) "Repair MBR is a dangerous command, and should only be used after running repairbcd as it will wipe the MBR and recreate it using the information from BCD. If the MBR is corrupted with false information from BCD, windows will be unable to repair this itself and a reinstall will be needed to correct it."

i dunno why but i somehow feel this is the reason why its not detected my OS as well as when i do the rebuild bcd commands (Given on MS article) i still get avaiable OS :0 , now frankly i dont want to start pointing fingers. ive posted the exact same topics on many different forumsand sevenforums and HP forums seemed to be the fastest to respond to my problems but gave in just little over a day of going back and forth and seven has been the most consistant of people trying to pitch in and give suggestions on what to do etc. i feel that my MBR is corrupt and whenever i go threw the process of rebuilding it. it just goes on a loop of trying to repair etc.

and ways these 2 forums have been best at sources for info and help. so i thank yous for taking the time to help

now

toms hardware - still no reply even after 2 days

answers.MS - 1 reply but the same stuff that ive went threw on the previous day that my problem occoured

and well.. you get the idea

anways its just a matter of what is the quickest way to get my files backed up even if i cant boot and il need to attempt a clean install
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