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Windows 7: Registry Cleaners in 2014

19 Aug 2014   #31
andrew129260

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andrew129260 View Post
Windows 7 manages ram very well. The resource monitor does a great job in detail showing how it manages it. XP days of windows tweaking and all of that crap are behind us imho.
I will look into it, thank you!
Im not so sure.
Im gonna run W7 on VM with - let's say - 320MB RAM and turn off page file (swap).
Then let's see what happens when memory usage hits 100%
Won't work:

Windows 7 system requirements - Windows Help


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19 Aug 2014   #32
mt12345

Linux x64
 
 

Im gonna install with 1GB then run with 320.

I think install DVD 32bit requires 512MB RAM.
Few years ago I installed W7 on 384MB Pentium III laptop but I dont remember whether install DVD was customized (memory check removed) or I installed it in VM connecting hard drive to linux machine.
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20 Aug 2014   #33
gregrocker

 

Registry cleaner scamware and Optimizer suites are death to Win7 which is already a feather-light OS which neither requires such nonsense or will tolerate it. These may have been needed in XP and Vista to lean down the OS enough it wouldn't bog or hang, but Win7 changed all that with "fast triggers" that start Services which can then mostly be set to Manual.

Win7 only needs a perfect install on adequate, tested hardware. The tutorial Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 compiles everything that works best for Win7 based on tens of thousands of installs we've helped with here since beta. I'd also want at least 4gb RAM (installing 32 bit for 4gb or less) and at least a Dual Core processor for multi-tasking.
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21 Aug 2014   #34
mt12345

Linux x64
 
 

'fast triggers'?
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21 Aug 2014   #35
Imrankhan

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Whats SF users' opinion about System Mechanic. Currently using Auslogics which doesnt seem to improve my PC performance anyway.
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21 Aug 2014   #36
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I wouldn't have it on my computers.
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21 Aug 2014   #37
Fejinwales

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Registry cleaner scamware and Optimizer suites are death to Win7 which is already a feather-light OS which neither requires such nonsense or will tolerate it.
You may be right of course, I assume you've had problems with these things in the past to be so positive about their uselessness, but like I said, in my experience with my computer, and three others who have a shared license, we have never had an issue. Neither have all the friends who have installed TuneUp at my prompting. It cleans up, optimizes and customizes as well without having to do anything manually or editing in the registry, services or any other such thing. All these Windows 7 systems in both 64bit and 32bit have tolerated it perfectly and without any issues, ever, and have required it as far as the people using them are concerned. I've never had a crash, bsod or any other issue apart from the ones Windows came with and which this site sorted out for me - (crappy start menu, no outlook express etc) and I am pretty sure none of the others have as well as it is me they would call if they did.

And this is the point of the debate. It comes down to personal choice, I would advise people who are looking for a way to optimize, clean and whatever their installation do use a well-known application, but at the same time caution them to make a back up before they make changes. In the end it is up to the individual to choose, others can only advise on their experiences to help them.

Of course there will be those who detest this sort of stuff, and those who swear by it, all opinions are valid but those with positive or negative opinions should at least give some history as to why they feel what they do. I can only speak for TuneUp and CCleaner (another one that is on every computer I know of) as I use no other software of the type.

As for Memory managers I completely agree that there's no need for them in Windows 7 at all.
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21 Aug 2014   #38
mt12345

Linux x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Fejinwales View Post
And this is the point of the debate. It comes down to personal choice...
But the question is : 'are registry cleaners needed?'

I see it this way:

Windows7 is complete operating system, it has everything you need, from notepad to calculator to internet browser to media player to firewall.
But the quality of these apps/tools are questionable so we replace iexplorer with firefox, wmp with vlc, firewall with commodo, disk clean up with ccleaner etc (that's where 'personal choice' comes up).

But there is NO registry cleaner to replace.

There was registry cleaner included in windows 98, removed in next versions.

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...Is it a viable maintenance procedure these days, or does win 7 & 8 render them obsolete?
Looks like obsolete since Windows NT
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21 Aug 2014   #39
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Imrankhan View Post
Whats SF users' opinion about System Mechanic. Currently using Auslogics which doesnt seem to improve my PC performance anyway.
Again, not needed. I once used AUslogics defraggers and optimizer suite but the defraggers are superceded by better boot-time choices like Puran and the optimizer is not needed in a feather-light OS that always runs perfectly with a perfect install and adequate hardware.

I think some consumers may mistake issues resolved by Troubleshooting Steps for Windows 7 with performance sluggishness that can be fixed with cleaners and optimizers. Better to work through the troubleshooting steps to find the problem and resolve it, plus learn some useful limited optimizing that works well with Win7.

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Windows7 is complete operating system, it has everything you need, from notepad to calculator to internet browser to media player to firewall.
But the quality of these apps/tools are questionable so we replace iexplorer with firefox, wmp with vlc, firewall with commodo, disk clean up with ccleaner etc (that's where 'personal choice' comes up).

But there is NO registry cleaner to replace.
All of those Win7 components are perfectly fine and just as good as the alternatives you mention which comes down to user choice and needs.

The Win7 Firewall is superior to any of the problematic alternatives which show up here regularly causing problems, while we never see any problems at all with 7's Firewall.

There is no need for a Registry Cleaner, especially for an OS as resilient as Win7. But since CCleaner is so good, a genius tool and perhaps the most popular tool in tech history, most of us here use it from what I've seen. There is no risk with its registry cleaner, not a single documented case of it causing problems, yet still some don't want to risk that mainly because there is no real need for a Registry Cleaner with Win7.

These are XP era discussions about XP-era tools not needed with Win7. It reminds me of the struggle for five years here to stop users from trying to force a whole list of drivers on the first driver-complete OS. Not a day passes where this isn't disputed. Meanwhile there is no user participation with drivers in Windows 8 based on improvements developed in Win7. What are these users going to do there, use a crowbar?
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21 Aug 2014   #40
mt12345

Linux x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mt12345 View Post
Windows7 is complete operating system, it has everything you need, from notepad to calculator to internet browser to media player to firewall.
But the quality of these apps/tools are questionable so we replace iexplorer with firefox, wmp with vlc, firewall with commodo, disk clean up with ccleaner etc (that's where 'personal choice' comes up).

But there is NO registry cleaner to replace.
All of those Win7 components are perfectly fine and just as good as the alternatives you mention which comes down to user choice and needs.

The Win7 Firewall is superior to any of the problematic alternatives which show up here regularly causing problems, while we never see any problems at all with 7's Firewall.

There is no need for a Registry Cleaner, especially for an OS as resilient as Win7. But since CCleaner is so good, a genius tool and perhaps the most popular tool in tech history, most of us here use it from what I've seen. There is no risk with its registry cleaner, not a single documented case of it causing problems, yet still some don't want to risk that mainly because there is no real need for a Registry Cleaner with Win7.
Well it's not about 'quality' but rather 'features' (lack of).
Personally I DO use windows firewall and disk cleanup. By writing 'we replace' I had all/average windows 7 user(s) in mind.

If registry cleaner was needed it would be implemented by microsoft.
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