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Windows 7: Huge rebot time

06 Jan 2015   #61
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

@Gabe: The SFC output shows no errors - thanks for posting it.

Since Platypus has been doing most of the heavy lifting I'll defer to himher.
I suggest cleaning out the event log to make trouble shooting a bit easier for the rest of this session. The problem with that is there might be some useful information there. Once the event viewer is cleared, finding and posting events relative to the current environment will be a breeze.

Here's the tutorial: Event Viewer: Clear All Events

Please wait before you take that step, give Platypus a chance to confirm that heshe doesn't need to look in the Event viewer logs.

Bill
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07 Jan 2015   #62
gabe22

Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1 (Build 7601: Service Pack 1)
 
 

I'll do that but just wondering ... why is it that my event viewer doesn't log every boot? isn't it supposed to log every single boot event?

@ PlatypusKnight

Thanks a lot and yes it worked, windows seems to be working as it should be(we reverted the change).

I was able to run C scheduled scan and scan didn't find any issues/error/bad sector etc.

What do you think about the first boot screenshot that I attached on page 6? also do you think I have hardware issues? (I'll try the Ram test and post back results but it may take a bit, I'm thinking to get help from a friend who has experience with opening laptops)

In the mean time can we make the windows boot and shutdown faster or atleast normal not so slow? I'm wondering if about all test results show my system is running fine and no issues with softwares then why is the boot and shutdown so slow?

But then again, thank you again for resolving the "no pre boot screen" issue!
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07 Jan 2015   #63
PlatypusKnight

Dual Boot Win 8.1 x64; Win 7 SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post

@ PlatypusKnight

Thanks a lot and yes it worked, windows seems to be working as it should be(we reverted the change).
Glad I could help.

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I was able to run C scheduled scan and scan didn't find any issues/error/bad sector etc.
Good. Means everything is working as I expect.

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What do you think about the first boot screenshot that I attached on page 6? also do you think I have hardware issues?
First boot screenshot on page 6? Did you mean page 5?
If you meant page 5 from CCleaner, I'd like you to screenshot every tab in [Startup]. You only gave me the [Windows] tab. I especially want [Scheduled Tasks] and [Internet Explorer].

There are only 3 hardware tests I could give you any assistance with. Testing your hard-drive, testing your RAM, and testing your CPU.
Your hard-drive came back clean, we're about to test your RAM as soon as you can find someone to unseat and reseat the memory modules, and then a CPU test will follow.

You may (and I really mean may, I don't expect it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true) have a corrupt memory stick.

My operating assumption is once you're satisfied that your system is physically fine you'll re-install Windows and start from scratch.

Remember how I said you're one of the big boys now and you will need to start acting like it more and more in the future? I don't know what sorts of alterations you've made to your system, and you don't either. There's nothing thus far that suggests that your system should be starting this slowly. Except this:
We're all tinkerers. You tinker. I tinker. Slartybart tinkers. The only difference is Slartybart and I (apologies for speaking for you here slarty) keep a log of all the changes we make. So they can be reversed (and we know what to reverse) should issues arise.

There was a time when Windows 7 was not as optimized as it is now. There was all sorts of advice on the web about which services to disable, and what to remove, and what to try in order to have Win 7 snappy and powerful. I know because I did it and spent many sleepless days and nights that blurred together wondering if I'd destroyed the system I spent so much money on and praying that if it would just please work I'd never ever mess with any settings again. Then I forget all that until I did it the next time. I've now rescued numerous people from the effects of having done the same thing.

In my opinion Win 7 needs none of that tinkering to run optimally anymore. Some of those disabled services and other tinkering will cause problems because Microsoft did some tinkering themselves and their tinkering will conflict with our tinkering since we don't get to tell them what we did before we update our systems. For eg. it used to be a thing to disable Superfetch. I don't think that's a good idea. Superfetch learns what you want, then it learns when you usually want it, and then "caches" it before it thinks you want it. Your computer will feel faster as a result. I've seen many, many, people advise shutting this service off. That's not going to result in an optimal experience for most people.


Again, best thing for all parties would be to reinstall Windows, install all relevant updates, and you learn how to use Macrium or some other imaging software. Also, you'll be prepared if you get a new computer or SSD and need to migrate (best practices suggest you should keep only Windows and installed programs on the C: partition) you'll already be prepared. Speaking of which, you can probably make your OS partition smaller and put all that hard drive space on another partition. I wouldn't have my OS partition constantly being filled with stuff I download. I would move my torrent directory to a media partition or a separate drive. Again, that way if you need to move to another computer, or if you need to reimage, or recover from malware, or whatever the issue, your data is not on the OS partition.

I have a log on my external HD where I notate every significant change I make to my computer. So if something starts acting funny, I can go back through my log and by process of elimination sometimes (this is far from foolproof) work out what is conflicting with what to cause this unexpected funny acting.

You need to start following this practice as well. Apologies if I sound preachy. Trust me though, a little pain now will save you all sorts of headaches in the future. I haven't had to reinstall Windows in over a year. I used to reinstall Windows every 2 months give or take. That's 2 days every 2 months sitting at my other laptop hating every second of it, and watching this one update, and then re-installing all the programs I like to use. Then trying to remember how I had everything set up. Then trying to recreate what it was like last time and failing and being frustrated because after all the updates and installing it just didn't feel right.
(Can I get a Amen?) I wasn't following best practices.
The last time that happened I'd just landed a big client on oDesk and if I didn't have my backup laptop I would have missed the deadline, lost that client, and ruined my reputation. All of us have to learn. In contrast, last time I did something stupid, I mean tinkered, all I did was fire up Macrium and load my last image a process that took me all of 8 mins. I know because Macrium said it took 8 mins.
It takes me longer to copy movies from my harddrive to my external.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
(I'll try the Ram test and post back results but it may take a bit, I'm thinking to get help from a friend who has experience with opening laptops)
Ok. No problem. Did you watch those youtube videos?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
In the mean time can we make the windows boot and shutdown faster or atleast normal not so slow? I'm wondering if about all test results show my system is running fine and no issues with softwares then why is the boot and shutdown so slow?
I'll put that in my next post.
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07 Jan 2015   #64
PlatypusKnight

Dual Boot Win 8.1 x64; Win 7 SP1 x64
 
 
Attempt to speed up Boot

Well here's two things we could do to attempt to speed up boot.

But first please right click the Ultimate Windows Tweaker you downloaded before and click [Run as administrator].

Click the [Additional Tweaks] tab and post a screenshot.

I'm looking to see if these options are checked because they slow boot and shutdown:
  • Enable Encryption for Pagefile
  • Enable Large System Cache
  • Delete pagefile at shutdown

It's very important that you follow these next steps in precisely the order I outline. Also, you should do this only when you have time. Maybe right before going to bed as the system will be unusable for a while.

Please close everything, every window, every program except for Ultimate Windows Tweaker. You're going to need to reboot at several points in this process and I don't want you to lose data.

Open Ultimate Windows Tweaker (if it's already open that's fine).
Click [Additional Tweaks].
We're going to create a Restore Point.
Click [Create Checkpoint].
After you click [Yes] wait a bit, and you'll get a notification that the System restore point has been created successfully.
Close Ultimate Windows Tweaker.

Open CCleaner.
Click [Tools] on the left.
Click [System Restore]
You'll notice that all the save points except one are grayed out.
Highlight all of the save points except the one that is grayed out and click [Remove].

Now we're going to disable Hibernation.
@SlartyBart suggested you use this tutorial to disable hibernation.
Hibernate - Enable or Disable
Feel free to do so.

For me, it's easier to use the Ultimate Windows Tweaker.
If you're using UWT, navigate to the [Additional Tweaks] tab.
First click [Create Checkpoint] so if something goes wrong you have a(nother) save point to revert to.
After you click [Yes] wait a bit, and you'll get a notification that the System restore point has been created successfully.

Check [Disable Hibernation]

Disable the Page file.
On the [Additional Tweaks] tab please also check the [Disable pagefile (Virtual Memory)] box.

Click [Apply].
Windows will tell you that you need to reboot. Allow it to reboot.

Run CCleaner
I want you to check these options:
Everything under the Windows Tab EXCEPT [Network Passwords] or [Environment Path].
Do not check
[Network Passwords] or [Environment Path].

Now full disclosure. As @slartybart mentioned before, it can be useful to burn the old event logs so we can isolate contemporary issues. This is precisely what we're going to do here. This will wipe all the event viewer logs. Now we can watch the event viewer and identify any issues as they arrive.

You are also going to lose any folder modifications you've made. If you have special folder modifications and you desperately need to keep them that way, you can feel free to uncheck [Custom Files and Folders].

Click the [Applications] tab.
Make sure nothing under [Games] is checked. Make sure [Windows DRM Cache] is NOT CHECKED. I'm sure you don't want to lose and need to reactivate any of your games.

If you don't have these options under the [Applications] tab in CCleaner, don't panic that's even better.

After checking all those options click [Analyze] and then click [Run Cleaner].
The Wipe Free Space portion is going to make this process take forever. I wouldn't be surprised if it needs 4-5 hours to complete this process. Maybe take a nap.


Reboot your machine.
This startup should be slightly slower than normal. It is even possible that the system will get hung on the shutdown part and need you to physically turn it off. Not a problem. However, DO NOT manually power off the system while the GUI is still on the screen. The only way you power it off is if you have a black screen (or the Dell screen) and you move the mouse and the trackpad and there is absolutely no activity on the screen. To manually power off, hold down the power button until the system powers down.

After boot
Re-enable the Page file.
Ultimate Windows Tweaker
[Additional Tweaks]
Uncheck [Disable pagefile (Virtual Memory)]
Reboot the system.

Click the [Start] button.
Right click [Computer] -- It's on the right.
Click [Properties]. An explorer window should open.
Click [Advanced system settings] on the left.
Under [Performance] click [Settings].
Click the [Advanced] tab.
Under [Virtual memory] check and see if there is a number beside [Total paging size for all drives]
Click [Change] - It is likely [Automatically manage paging file size for all drives] is already checked.

I'm not going to argue what the optimal settings for a page file are, I just want to see that it's either system managed, or there is a number greater than 1000 beside C:.
Please screenshot and post this window.
Click [OK].


Run UltraDefrag.
Use Full Optimization on the C: drive. (This will take some time). Maybe another nap.
When that's done use the [Optimize Master File Table] option.
Then click the [Boot Time Scan] option. This will add a boot defrag operation and defrag those parts of the partition that defrag can't touch when the system has logged them for use.
I would leave the boot time scan on for the text 3 restarts. After that you can turn it off until you want it again.

Restart the Computer.

We should see some speed improvements in the boot process over the next 3 to 4 boot cycles. If we don't I'll gently remind that you that when the other two system scans come back clean you should reinstall Windows.
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07 Jan 2015   #65
gabe22

Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1 (Build 7601: Service Pack 1)
 
 

Thank you for your advises. I'll try to follow them after issues are resolved.

I was talking about this screenshot, I think it displays the very first boot time for this laptop and you'll see that even on first boot .. error and quite long loading time and if that's the case then its probably not the windows? or is it damaged from the beginning? or hardware .... I'm just guessing here.

And additional tweaks screenshot attached.

I'll post back results after running suggested tests.


Attached Thumbnails
Huge rebot time-first-boot.jpg   Huge rebot time-additional-tweaks.jpg  
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08 Jan 2015   #66
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Good work all.

I don't mind your speaking on my behalf KYHI.
  1. Yes, I tinker.
  2. Yes I keep track of changes.
  3. No I can't remember where I put that list

Gabe, If you recall, I posted an event viewer clean tutorial, but deferred to KYHI in case event entries might help.

It wasn't important to the issue, just some housekeeping. I run it about once a year, when my system has been running smooth for a while. That way I don't lose any events that might help determine the cause of an issue. It isn't a regular maintenance item and if you never clean up your event logs, that's ok too.

Bill
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08 Jan 2015   #67
gabe22

Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1 (Build 7601: Service Pack 1)
 
 

I just finished running ultra defrag full optimization, took like 3 hours I think ... on C drives status it shows "Optmized, 3 passes needed" what does it mean?

MFT ran without any issues ... took like 5 sec I think

Gonna run boot scan now. Cant use boot scan .. the button is disabled (is it because I'm using portable version)?

Here is the virtual memory tabs screenshot btw its set on system managed and strange thing is recommend is 12GB and its auto allocating 8GB .. why is that? would manual help(I'm thinking something like 16GB)?

Also the program "Soluto seem to have some good insights, noticed a few recommendation but I don't understand them all so I would like to share with your guys before making any changes etc) but sadly I was unable to find any share options .. any ideas?


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Huge rebot time-virtual-memory.jpg  
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08 Jan 2015   #68
PlatypusKnight

Dual Boot Win 8.1 x64; Win 7 SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
I just finished running ultra defrag full optimization, took like 3 hours I think ... on C drives status it shows "Optmized, 3 passes needed" what does it mean?
It means UltraDefrag went over your hard drive three times from start to finish in order to complete the optimization.

How long did the CCleaner process take?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
MFT ran without any issues ... took like 5 sec I think
Good.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
Gonna run boot scan now. Cant use boot scan .. the button is disabled (is it because I'm using portable version)?
Absolutely. I forgot that you had the portable version. Please download and install the latest version of UltraDefrag. Remember you do not have an Itanium processor.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
Here is the virtual memory tabs screenshot btw its set on system managed and strange thing is recommend is 12GB and its auto allocating 8GB .. why is that? would manual help(I'm thinking something like 16GB)?
I wouldn't mess with it. If it actually needs 16 GB, Windows will enlarge the pagefile when it needs to. For a long time I set a manual size of 1 gigabyte and Windows ran fine. I set mine to system managed yesterday when I posted these suggestions to you, and Windows automatically set mine the same way it set yours. This is fine.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
Also the program "Soluto seem to have some good insights, noticed a few recommendation but I don't understand them all so I would like to share with your guys before making any changes etc) but sadly I was unable to find any share options .. any ideas?
I haven't used Soluto in over a year. Do screenshots work?
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08 Jan 2015   #69
gabe22

Windows 7 Home Premium, Version 6.1 (Build 7601: Service Pack 1)
 
 

"How long did the CCleaner process take?"
* It took about 25-30 min I think

"I wouldn't mess with it. If it actually needs 16 GB, Windows will enlarge the pagefile when it needs to. For a long time I set a manual size of 1 gigabyte and Windows ran fine. I set mine to system managed yesterday when I posted these suggestions to you, and Windows automatically set mine the same way it set yours. This is fine."
* That was exactly my thought but I'm still wondering if windows itself is recommending 12GB and its "by itself" setting virtual memory to 8GB, why is it acting strange? although it maybe irrelevant to this topic but I'm wondering if this could somehow be related to the boot issue maybe? thoughts?

Attached are the soluto screenshots (there is way too much info to screenshot all ... I added as many possible (22 SS) in the zip file)


Attached Files
File Type: zip soluto.zip (3.83 MB, 3 views)
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08 Jan 2015   #70
PlatypusKnight

Dual Boot Win 8.1 x64; Win 7 SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
"How long did the CCleaner process take?"
* It took about 25-30 min I think
Ok.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
* That was exactly my thought but I'm still wondering if windows itself is recommending 12GB and its "by itself" setting virtual memory to 8GB, why is it acting strange? although it maybe irrelevant to this topic but I'm wondering if this could somehow be related to the boot issue maybe? thoughts?
Not related. Says the same on my machine. I changed my rig to mirror your settings.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gabe22 View Post
Attached are the soluto screenshots (there is way too much info to screenshot all ... I added as many possible (22 SS) in the zip file)
I will look into this.

Questions:
  1. How are you timing the boot?
  2. Did you have a time frame for your friend to open and physically inspect the RAM modules?
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