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Windows 7: Clear out c: drive

30 Jan 2015   #11
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I noticed Shawn who wrote the original tutorials on moving User Account and User Folders has been encouraging Libraries.

I personally move User folders but have spent many hours resetting to Defaults to get them sorted out. Now I like this kind of stuff, but not sure most consumers would.


From User Folders - Change Default Location:

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And once again: What issues?

You mentioned The Only Issue when Users folder is relocated: If using Windows 7 native backup, I mean only if using Windows 7 native backup, the new location of Users must be included in system image. Anyway, this is a "non-issue", any third party imaging software lets you exclude the new location, helping this way to keep your images smaller and create them faster.

And Greg, please: do not start with any update or upgrade issues as you usually do when we discuss about this. For you not to know or understand a procedure does not automatically mean it is bad. The method allows updates totally normally, upgrade needs a few minutes work (move Users back to C:, in-place upgrade to better OS, move Users again away from C:).

Have you ever read that thread through to see with your own eyes how hassle free and failsafe procedure it is when users follow given instructions? Have you ever tested that method by yourself, even on a virtual machine? As we both know the answer for both questions is no, you haven't. Yet you keep dissing it only because you don't understand it.

Kari


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30 Jan 2015   #12
lucasbuck

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Run this command in elevated command prompt (run as admin), take a snip of the result and post it here.

vssadmin list shadowstorage
Thanks for all the suggestions for everyone. I hate to think about getting another drive, I just want to make sure I stay okay with the C: space.

Here is the log (not that I know what it means!):

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>vssadmin list shadowstorage
vssadmin 1.1 - Volume Shadow Copy Service administrative command-line tool
(C) Copyright 2001-2005 Microsoft Corp.

Shadow Copy Storage association
For volume: (C\\?\Volume{ee333044-51ec-11e2-b495-806e6f6e6963}\
Shadow Copy Storage volume: (C\\?\Volume{ee333044-51ec-11e2-b495-806e6f6e69
63}\
Used Shadow Copy Storage space: 4.491 GB (2%)
Allocated Shadow Copy Storage space: 4.892 GB (3%)
Maximum Shadow Copy Storage space: 7.5 GB (5%)


C:\Windows\system32>
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30 Jan 2015   #13
lucasbuck

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

If I moved the User folders based on what gregrocker or kari said, would steam start putting save files to the other drive? And if I just copied them over, would they still work correctly?
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30 Jan 2015   #14
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

If you use the method I told you, it moves the main profile folder Users to another drive, for example if relocated to drive X: the new address for Users would be X:\Users, and your user account (profile) X:\Users\Lucasbuck.

Your Documents folder would be X:\Users\Lucasbuck\Documents, Music X:\Users\Lucasbuck\Music, the ApPData folder X:\Users\Lucasbuck\AppData, the Temp folder X:\Users\Lucasbuck\AppData\Local\Temp and so on.

Steam saves to %USERPROFILE%\Documents\Steam. The method I told about changes the value of Windows environment variable %USERPROFILE% from C:\Users\Lucasbuck to X:\Users\Lucasbuck, therefore all your Steam saves would go to X: drive.
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30 Jan 2015   #15
gregrocker

 

Kari, I've never even used your tutorial, nor was I commenting upon it.

I only refer to User Folders - Change Default Location or Library - Include a Folder - Windows 7 Forums.

So what is this imaginary argument we're supposedly having about moving the whole User Account during reinstall, which is what I thought your tutorial is about?

I only was giving Lucas other options so he'd have a full range of choices.
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30 Jan 2015   #16
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lucasbuck View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Run this command in elevated command prompt (run as admin), take a snip of the result and post it here.

vssadmin list shadowstorage
Thanks for all the suggestions for everyone. I hate to think about getting another drive, I just want to make sure I stay okay with the C: space.

Here is the log (not that I know what it means!):

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>vssadmin list shadowstorage
vssadmin 1.1 - Volume Shadow Copy Service administrative command-line tool
(C) Copyright 2001-2005 Microsoft Corp.

Shadow Copy Storage association
For volume: (C\\?\Volume{ee333044-51ec-11e2-b495-806e6f6e6963}\
Shadow Copy Storage volume: (C\\?\Volume{ee333044-51ec-11e2-b495-806e6f6e69
63}\
Used Shadow Copy Storage space: 4.491 GB (2%)
Allocated Shadow Copy Storage space: 4.892 GB (3%)
Maximum Shadow Copy Storage space: 7.5 GB (5%)


C:\Windows\system32>
That's not too bad. I would go with 3% maximum. Here is the command:

vssadmin resize shadowstorage /For=C: /On=C: /MaxSize=3%
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30 Jan 2015   #17
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

I thought it could be a good idea to show what I mean with changing the value for environment variable %USERPROFILE%.

I have relocated my Users main profile folder to E: drive. As you might know, you can use the environment variables as addresses in File Explorer, for eample if you type %APPDATA% in Explorer address field and hit Enter, you will be taken to Users\Your_Username\AppData\Roaming folder, with %LOCALAPPDATA% you can jump to Users\Your_Username\AppData\Local folder, with %TEMP% to Users\Your_Username\AppData\Local\Temp and so on.

The same with %USERPROFILE%, see below what happens when I give the address %USERPROFILE% in File Explorer. Video is made on my Windows 10 system but it works exactly the same way in Windows 7.

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30 Jan 2015   #18
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
So what is this imaginary argument we're supposedly having about moving the whole User Account during reinstall, which is what I thought your tutorial is about?
Do you want me to send you the links to your posts telling how you cannot update or upgrade or have other issues if the Users folder is moved?
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30 Jan 2015   #19
gregrocker

 

I recall only that there were reports here awhile back of serious problems with moving User Account which I was trying to understand better.

At that point I messaged Shawn to ask him what he thinks and he advised me to stay away from moving the User account. I might have mentioned it then but don't recall commenting on it since then and didn't comment on it here.

This is the last I'm going to say about it. I will recommend the approaches I always have which are what I know and use.
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30 Jan 2015   #20
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 

I just have never understood why when there's a failsafe method to get the complete main profile folder Users away from the system drive, I mean the only known method which always works without any whatsoever issues, method designed and created by Microsoft and done with a native Windows tool, a method where none of its opponents can find any faults, why is it so often opposed?

The SSD revolution caused the average size of the system drive to decrease, many users are running Windows on relatively small SSDs, the method will really be a lifesaver for many users. It only have pros, not a single con. Yet, users who have never even tested it or bothered to learn about it are writing blog posts and advising other users on forums not to use the method.

It's true that from MS sites you can find exactly one article telling that it is recommended you only use this method in test machines. However, this article was written when Vista was in beta stages; since that both Windows and Sysprep tool have evolved, and the method is today totally safe to use. The article in question: https://support.microsoft.com/kb/949...?wa=wsignin1.0, first hint of its age can be seen at the beginning when it asks the reader to visit the XP Solution Center:

Quote:
System Tip
This article applies to a different version of Windows than the one you are using. Content in this article may not be relevant to you.
Visit the Windows XP Solution Center
Really, the situation has completely changed since that article was published. Yet, this article is the one used against this method even today, even by the "Tech Gods" like Ed Bott. Ignorance and not wanting to check facts can be dangerous.

I could go on a week now arguing about this but it's useless.
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