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Windows 7 - Auslogics Defrag vs Win7 built-in Defrag? |
09-28-2011
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Asus logic Defragger FTW ! ... I use it to double check other bundle ware defraggers like the one in Advanced System Care till I finally just turned the ASC one off cause Asus logic defragger was way better. A nice feature to the Aus Logic defragger is the "defrag and optimize" option. Cleans up the table much better.
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self built under $500 with legit OS. (not incl. monitor) OS Windows 7 64bit CPU 3.2ghz I3 550 7.2 windows index. i7-870 hopefully soon. Motherboard Asus P7H-55M Le Memory 8GB Patriot 1333Mhz at 1.5v, GSkill 7cas Latency soon! Graphics Card 8800GTs soon to be 560 Ti SC Sound Card on board Monitor(s) Displays Sceptre H22-Naga (best dang budget 22"mon on the planet 2ms) Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard Logitech Mouse Logitech PSU Ultra Power LSP 550 30A 12v+, Seasonic 650W 54A modular soon Case Best cheapy case I ever had. Aerocool Qx-2000 coming soon Cooling Stock cooling 26*C on idle FTW ! Lapping Heatsink soon! Hard Drives Old Samsung, Soon to be OCZ Vecter 3 and WD CB 64mb cache Internet Speed 15Mbs ~ 25+Mbps depending on time of day. Other Info Recommeded freeware: Advanced System Care, the best one button freebie cleaner on the planet. Asus Defrager, CCleaner, cpuz, Coretemp and removewat.exe lolz Just kidding! :) |
09-30-2011
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Note that not using the inbox defrag.exe can (and, frankly, will) screw up the information in the ReadyBoot cache. This means that whilst you're OCPD tendencies are assuaged by moving all files sequentially on the disk  , you are actually slowing down the boot and prefetch processes due to misses from the ReadyBoot cache needing to be serviced and files read in from the disk in a different location than it was previously (thus resulting in an additional seek and read head movement). Also, layout.ini (which stores this information) is not generated/updated every day (by default it's every 3), so it could be awhile before the system catches up with what the defrag program did.
It's not critical, but you should at least know all of the ramifications of what you're doing if you don't use a defragmenter that knows to update layout.ini (and how to do it). The only 3rd party defragmenter that updates layout.ini properly is PerfectDisk, and I have not seen any indication from others that they bother with this - it doesn't mean there aren't other 3rd party defragmenters that update layout.ini, but I have not seen any public indication or documentation on any other than PerfectDisk that this is done. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP Z400 workstation OS Windows Server 2008 R2 CPU Intel Xeon 3550 @3.06GHz Motherboard HP Memory 16GB DDR3 Graphics Card Nvidia Quadro 600 Sound Card Realtek ALC262 Monitor(s) Displays 2x Hanns-G HG281 Screen Resolution 1920x1200 Keyboard Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 7000 Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 PSU HP Case HP Hard Drives 1x Samsung 160GB SSD
2x WD 1TB (RAID1) |
09-30-2011
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Have now switched after ten years to Puran Defrag, for it's Boot Time defragger which is the only way to defrag System Files which are running otherwise, and also for its Intelligent Optimizer you can enable on the Additional Operations tab which moves most-used apps to the outside of HD for quicker reads. This can speed up an older HD.
Last edited by gregrocker; 10-10-2011 at 10:16 PM..
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09-30-2011
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There is nothing wrong with the Windows 7 defragger. Microsoft has in-depth knowledge of OS and filesystems so know what they are doing, more so than third party I would guess. I have tried third party and always fall back to Microsoft - it works very well for me. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home built (GeneO industries)/Model 2 OS Windows 7 64 bit SP1 CPU i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, 1.256V 120 GFlop (with AVX) Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB (4GBx4) 1600MHz G.skill Ripjaws X 8-8-8-24 Graphics Card Asus Nvidia ENGTS450, 1GB 4030 MHz DDR5 clock, 915 Mhz GPU Sound Card Onboard Realtek HD Monitor(s) Displays NEC Spectraview 2490WUXi-SV Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard HP Wireless Mouse HP wireless PSU Antec TruePower New 650W Case Fractal Design "Define R3" Cooling CM Hyper 212+ push/pull, 5 120mm, 1 140mm case fans Hard Drives Crucial 128GB M4 (system), 2x WD Caviar 1TB Black internal (data), 1x Seagate 750G Barracuda Internal (backups), 1x WD Blue 6Gb/s 320GB Internal, 1x Corsair F40 SSD for cache, 1x 2TB eSata WD20EARS Green, 2x 500GB Seagate external USB, 1x 350GB exte Internet Speed 25.7 Mb/s down, 4.5 Mb/s up Other Info USB 3.0 x4 , SATA III x4, eSATA x3, SATA II x4, USB 2.0 x8. 2 Samsung DVD R/W drives.
WEI: CPU 7.7, Memory 7.9, Graphics 7.4, Disk 7.9 |
10-04-2011
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#15 | | win 7 home premium 64 bit |

Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti Note that not using the inbox defrag.exe can (and, frankly, will) screw up the information in the ReadyBoot cache. This means that whilst you're OCPD tendencies are assuaged by moving all files sequentially on the disk  , you are actually slowing down the boot and prefetch processes due to misses from the ReadyBoot cache needing to be serviced and files read in from the disk in a different location than it was previously (thus resulting in an additional seek and read head movement). Also, layout.ini (which stores this information) is not generated/updated every day (by default it's every 3), so it could be awhile before the system catches up with what the defrag program did.
It's not critical, but you should at least know all of the ramifications of what you're doing if you don't use a defragmenter that knows to update layout.ini (and how to do it). The only 3rd party defragmenter that updates layout.ini properly is PerfectDisk, and I have not seen any indication from others that they bother with this - it doesn't mean there aren't other 3rd party defragmenters that update layout.ini, but I have not seen any public indication or documentation on any other than PerfectDisk that this is done.
Couldn't have said it any better, Windows 7 is very complex and folks are kidding themselves if they think that these other programs will really be any better at actually increasing responsiveness in their system! Key word "actually". | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number hp pavilion 6680t OS win 7 home premium 64 bit CPU core i5 760 Motherboard iona (from MSI) Memory 6 gb Graphics Card ati 5450 Sound Card real tek 888 |
10-10-2011
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Personally speaking the need for third party solutions with 7 is just a myth, they may improve some aspects of the drive performance, or worse conflict with Windows own routines, and any performance increase will be imperceptible to the average user on a standalone machine.
Differing algorithms just give varying results this is why you will always see more fragmentation when using third party solutions. A whole industry has grown up around this subject, and let`s face it if they all reported that Windows was now doing a good enough job it would hardly be in their best interests.
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I'm glad you posted the words "personally speaking", because your assertion is inherently wrong. Protected mode Microsoft OSes have always had issues in the file fragmentation area, and the problem is one of mainly philosophy. It has more to do with how the operating system keeps track of where files are stored than anything, but the fact that the address might suddenly change if the OS writes it back to disk elsewhere after reading it causes a lot of issues as well. They have been getting much better at this in recent years, but the company as a whole still has a huge problem with file fragmentation. In my opinion they should move to something like the Inode and Superblock paradigm to insure that files have a permanent home, as this nearly stops fragmentation altogether.
Worse yet, their defrag program stinks. But one must be fair. Only one defrag application I've used in thirty years made that much of an improvement. But since Norton went south with most of their applications, they seem to have tossed Speeddisk out with those they messed up. Now we're forced to put up with dog slow defragmenters that can't even manipulate a page file without rebooting.
That said, the Auslogic application works fine, but it's nothing special. I use Perfectdisk by Raxco myself, but I'm not happy with it. But at least it does complete the job, which is something the OS native application is dubious about. My System Specs | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 |
10-11-2011
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#17 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 |
There hasn't been a reason to a third-party defragger on Windows since Vista was released. On a typical desktop computer, the built-in defragger does the job quite well. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 CPU Intel Core i7-2600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3 Memory 12 GB Patriot Extreme DDR3-1333 Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 470 Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp 2209WA PSU OCZ ModStream 700W Case CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus Hard Drives OCZ Agility3 240 GB, WD5001AALS, WD7501AALS Auslogics Defrag vs Win7 built-in Defrag? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:34 PM. |  |