| Windows 7: I don't see the advantage of running x64 |
16 Apr 2010
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#1 | | Windows 7 - Home Premium x64 |
I don't see the advantage of running x64 I made a partition and loaded x86 (32 bit) and a x64 (64 bit). While I do understand that most software is not yet optimized for x64, I do not see any performance difference at all between the two.
Is there some "secret switch" I'm missing, or what is all this x64 hype about? What am I not seeing here? | My System Specs |
| OS Windows 7 - Home Premium x64 CPU i7 860 2.80 GHz Motherboard Asus P7P55D EVO Memory 8 gigs Graphics Card Asus 5770 ( 2 - crossfire) Hard Drives 2, 1 TB 7200 HDs Internet Speed In Thailand? LOL Lets just say it's SLOW. |
16 Apr 2010
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There should be little/no difference in application performance between 32 and 64 bit in 32 bit apps. Native 64 bit apps should run faster than their 32 bit bretheren. (...and I say "should" because of the vaguaries and skill involved in writing efficient code, and what the application happens to do. )
The primary advantage from and end user's point of view lies in the amount of resource 64 bit is able to utilize. i.e. if you want SLI/Crossfire and/or 4GB of memory or more, then you're basically forced to use a 64 bit version of the operating system.
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Last edited by Scotteq; 16 Apr 2010 at 04:24 PM..
Reason: clarity
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 (x64) CPU Intel Core i7 960 @ 3.8GHz (3.2GHz stock) Motherboard EVGA E758 X-58 Memory 6GB OCZ DDR3 1600 Graphics Card Powercolor AX5870 (ATI 5870 w/improved cooling) Sound Card Omega Claro+ Monitor(s) Displays 1. Acer P243W (24") 2. Samsung T260 HD HDMI HDTV/Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 x 2 Keyboard Microsoft Natural keyboard 4000 Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder PSU Corsair CMPSU-850HX Case Lian Li PC-K60WB Cooling Thermalright Venemous-X Hard Drives (1) 128GB Kingston SNVP325-S2 SSD for OS/Games
(2) 500GB WD Caviar Black - Storage Internet Speed Cable Other Info 165 bclk, 23 Multi |
16 Apr 2010
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#3 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
It is partly hype and the neccessity to use x64 for RAM sizes 4GB and up. But I made the same observation as you have - there is really no perceived performance gain. I noticed, however, that certain programs do not run in x64 (e.g. my favorite free REVO uninstaller which works only with x86 program files and a few sidebar gadgets).
Last edited by whs; 16 Apr 2010 at 04:05 PM..
Reason: small correction
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
16 Apr 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 - Home Premium x64 |
Thanks for the quick replies to both of you. Makes me feel a little better. One of the programs I tried using was Vegas 9, which should work fine in x64 but was nothing but problems. I had to reinstall Vegas 8 and it has a bug here or there, but it mostly works fine, though I can not use Magic Bullet on the x64 side and that has some killer looks.
@ Scotteq - I didn't know that about x64 and crossfire. Thanks for that info. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 - Home Premium x64 CPU i7 860 2.80 GHz Motherboard Asus P7P55D EVO Memory 8 gigs Graphics Card Asus 5770 ( 2 - crossfire) Hard Drives 2, 1 TB 7200 HDs Internet Speed In Thailand? LOL Lets just say it's SLOW. |
16 Apr 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bangkok Bob @ Scotteq - I didn't know that about x64 and crossfire. Thanks for that info. It's not a 'necessity' to go 64 bit for Crossfire/SLI, but understand that all of the devices on your computer (Bios, communications, installed devices, etc) consume a certain amount of address space. 32 bit Windows can only address 4GB worth of whatever. And the more you load the computer with, the less space is available. And that comes out of system RAM, since this must be fully mapped and therefore requires an equivalent amount of address space. So, if you install 4GB of memory, then 32 bit Windows will use less than the full 4GB because of the address space required for everything else.
When you make the jump to 64 bit, the amount of available address space increases to 128GB, rather than just 4. This limit is artificial and can be changed my Microsoft should they choose to do so. But for desktop usage, this "limit" is unreachable with present hardware anywhow. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built OS Windows 7 (x64) CPU Intel Core i7 960 @ 3.8GHz (3.2GHz stock) Motherboard EVGA E758 X-58 Memory 6GB OCZ DDR3 1600 Graphics Card Powercolor AX5870 (ATI 5870 w/improved cooling) Sound Card Omega Claro+ Monitor(s) Displays 1. Acer P243W (24") 2. Samsung T260 HD HDMI HDTV/Monitor Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 x 2 Keyboard Microsoft Natural keyboard 4000 Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder PSU Corsair CMPSU-850HX Case Lian Li PC-K60WB Cooling Thermalright Venemous-X Hard Drives (1) 128GB Kingston SNVP325-S2 SSD for OS/Games
(2) 500GB WD Caviar Black - Storage Internet Speed Cable Other Info 165 bclk, 23 Multi |
16 Apr 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
Although for Vista this link may be of interest, as most applies to Windows 7 too .... 64-bit: More than just the RAM - Vista Forums | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
1 TB Hitachi HDS5C1010CLA382 SATAII
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 HD103SI SATA II (external)
Plus various other (client ) HDDs as needed Internet Speed Temporaray 3G Dongle Antivirus Avast Browser Chrome Other Info USB Capture + Webcam(s) Bamboo Digitizer tablet
Also run Acer AspireOne 530h Netbook, Dual Core Atom + 1GB (Win7 Ult x86) Plus various test systems for new projects |
16 Apr 2010
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#7 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
Very interesting link. Thanks Barman. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
16 Apr 2010
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Quote: Originally Posted by whs It is partly hype and the neccessity to use x64 for RAM sizes 4GB and up. But I made the same observation as you have - there is really no perceived performance gain. I noticed, however, that certain programs do not run in x64 (e.g. my favorite free REVO uninstaller which works only with x86 program files and a few sidebar gadgets). I am using free Revo uninstaller on Windows 7 Home Premium x64 and it runs flawlessly. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus K60IJ OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Pentium Dual Core T4200 Motherboard HP Laptop Memory 4gb PC-6400 Graphics Card Integrated Intel GMA 4500 Sound Card onboard(laptop) Monitor(s) Displays 16" Screen Resolution 1300 X 766 with true 720p HD support Mouse Microsoft 3000 laptop mouse Hard Drives 320GB 5400RPM Internet Speed 15mbit+ down and 768kbit up Other Info 1TB external Western Digital Essentials HDD |
16 Apr 2010
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#9 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by housry23 
Quote: Originally Posted by whs It is partly hype and the neccessity to use x64 for RAM sizes 4GB and up. But I made the same observation as you have - there is really no perceived performance gain. I noticed, however, that certain programs do not run in x64 (e.g. my favorite free REVO uninstaller which works only with x86 program files and a few sidebar gadgets). I am using free Revo uninstaller on Windows 7 Home Premium x64 and it runs flawlessly. Yes it does. But did you notice that it can only remove programs from the x86 program files. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
16 Apr 2010
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Hi whs,
This seems to do the job with 64 bit apps. Advanced Uninstaller Free.
Most people won't see any advantage in switching to 64 bit - maybe in a the future, but by then you'll have a new machine and windows 8 - or maybe windows 9. | My System Specs | | OS Vista x64 / 7 X64 CPU E8400 Motherboard ASRock 1333 GLAN R2.0 Memory 2x1 gb 800mhz Graphics Card 9500gt 1gb Case Coolermaster Cooling Winpower 500w Hard Drives Maxtor 160gb-2mb cache I don't see the advantage of running x64 problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:18 AM. | |