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28 Oct 2010   #1031
Dave76

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Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Spinners are limited to the speed of the spinning disk and the speed of the reading arm.

As far as I've been able to find info on these 6.0Gb/s connections and HDDs, there is not much use except for fast SSDs, the HDDs can't max out the 3.0Gb/s bandwidth.


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28 Oct 2010   #1032
Beginning

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

That figures.. Thanks for the heads up...
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28 Oct 2010   #1033
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

You're welcome
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28 Oct 2010   #1034
usbhubman

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
Spinners are limited to the speed of the spinning disk and the speed of the reading arm.

As far as I've been able to find info on these 6.0Gb/s connections and HDDs, there is not much use except for fast SSDs, the HDDs can't max out the 3.0Gb/s bandwidth.
Even SATA III with only one device will not perform any better than a fast SSD on SATA II. i.e. almost all Sandforce drives on a SATA II connection will outperform ALL of the Crucial drives in write performance even if the Crucial is on a SATA III controller.

Here is why you absolutely must get an SSD drive:



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The lowest performing numbers in burst mode on the SSD (1 Mb) are still an order of magnitude faster than the best the Seagate can provide and the really important numbers (4K) for loading an OS are in the order of 100 times faster in favour of the SSD. And this Seagate is faster by 10% than both my WD1001FALS.

Here's the kicker ... the Kingston SNV425S2/64gb drive I first bought has terrible performance in the 4K and 16K writes. However, it is still so fast compared to the little 5400rpm Hitachi HTS542516K9SA00 in my Acer 4520 that it loads Windows 7 in 35 seconds vs 2 minutes and something. And when I replaced the Kingston with the OCZ on my desktop ... I'm being honest ... I cannot feel ... note the word feel ... any difference. Benchmark numbers favour the OCZ over the Kingston but it doesn't feel any faster, nor does it load the OS any faster.

If you are good at keeping things to a minimum you can easily put Windows 7 and a few apps on a 30 or 40Gb SSD and put your swapfile and major apps on a seperate Seagate or Western Digital.
As they are now going for well under $100 for drives between 30 and 64Gb ... what's the hold up !
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28 Oct 2010   #1035
essenbe
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Enterprise X64
 
 

Quote "If you are good at keeping things to a minimum you can easily put Windows 7 and a few apps on a 30 or 40Gb SSD and put your swapfile and major apps on a seperate Seagate or Western Digital.
As they are now going for well under $100 for drives between 30 and 64Gb ... what's the hold up !"

I Realize this is a real Noob question, but how do you put the swap file and the Temp files on the spinner. I am fixing to go to a OCZ SSD and am just trying to get things straight. Thanks
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28 Oct 2010   #1036
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by usbhubman View Post
If you are good at keeping things to a minimum you can easily put Windows 7 and a few apps on a 30 or 40Gb SSD and put your swapfile and major apps on a seperate Seagate or Western Digital.
As they are now going for well under $100 for drives between 30 and 64Gb ... what's the hold up !


Agree.

Check my specs, you're preaching to the choir

Have had my SSD for over six months, it's been a blast tweaking it.

I've been running my OS on a separate partition from my data for at least 15 years, so using a small boot drive was a no brainer.

The highly advertised sequential rates don't mean anything compared to the random read/write and access times that make SSDs so fast.

Best upgrade for pure performance there is, you would have to drag me kicking and screaming to put my OS and programs on a spinner again.

My OS loads in 18 seconds with this SSD.

The 25nm are coming soon for twice the size at approximately the same price point and faster.
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28 Oct 2010   #1037
usbhubman

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
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I Realize this is a real Noob question, but how do you put the swap file and the Temp files on the spinner. I am fixing to go to a OCZ SSD and am just trying to get things straight. Thanks
Click on Control Panel
Click on System
Click on Advance system settings
Click on Advanced
Click Settings for Performance
Click on Advanced
Click on Change under Virtual memory


Read carefully and ask for help online if necessary but it should be pretty self-explanatory. Change Paging File Size on your C drive to none and on your D: drive or whereever, select your new Pagefile.

p.s. If you have 6Gb or more of RAM a pagefile should not be necessary. I do a lot of photo editing and I have 12 Gb of RAM. I have not had a pagefile since June when I bought my first SSD. No problems of ANY kind.
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28 Oct 2010   #1038
essenbe
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Enterprise X64
 
 

usbhubman, Thanks for the help - I need all that I can get.
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29 Oct 2010   #1039
Anusha

Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Wouldn't leaving the pagefile on a spinner sound bad for the performance? I know it would do a Loy of writes to the SSD and would take up a lot of space which could otherwise have use for apps, but if u are low on RAM constant access to the drive will slow down the pc. It is always better to invest on more RAM (6gb or more) and not use a pagefile at all for best performance.
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29 Oct 2010   #1040
usbhubman

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anusha View Post
Wouldn't leaving the pagefile on a spinner sound bad for the performance? I know it would do a Loy of writes to the SSD and would take up a lot of space which could otherwise have use for apps, but if u are low on RAM constant access to the drive will slow down the pc. It is always better to invest on more RAM (6gb or more) and not use a pagefile at all for best performance.
General consensus is move the Pagefile to another drive. You can ensure the fastest performance by using an empty spinner and putting the pagefile on first before putting any data on. Overall performance will improve by using the space that the pagefile would have used for apps.

Another performance enhancer is to remove hyberfil.sys if you don't need it. Most people either shut their system down or put it to sleep. Hibernate is handy on laptops, but then, most laptops don't have more than 2 or 3Gb of RAM so you're not going to take a big hit on disk space there. I have a pretty nice setup and this is the 3rd mobo in a row that I have had that does NOT come back from sleep properly - network most often goes to sleep and does not wake up. Windows 7 will install hiberfil even though, with more than 4 gigs of ram the system can't hibernate anyway !!!! yeah I know .. how stupid. So, especially on an SSD where space is at a premium, do away with hiberfil.sys if you don't need it or use it. It will be equal to + the amount of RAM on your system so if you have 12G of RAM for instance, the OS will install a 12G hiberfil.sys even though Hibernate will be missing from the shutdown menu. Go figure. Further info:
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