High FPS = High Ping in games (solution anyone?)

Hey All, i'm new here this is my first post but it looked like a fairly knowldegeable place so i'm happy to give it a try, hope someone here can help

First, a bit of background info..
Since i got my hands on the RC i've loved it. I'm running the 64bit version on this spec (I Don't think it'll be important, but still worth saying)

AMD Athlon 64 3200 OC'd to 2.5Ghz
1.5 GB DDR-400 Ram
GeForce 6800GT
IDE HDD's and so on.

I've already seen a post without a solution to this...

The Problem
Anyone who plays Countestrike source on Windows 7 will probably have seen this.
If the FPS Is set to 30 or lower = Normal Ping of around 24 - 30ms on UK Servers.
If The FPS Is set to 101 or higher = High ping of around 56 - 80ms on UK Servers.

This is annoying. 100FPS Is the optimal, i cap it there on purpose because i don't need anyone, i can get full smooth game play using it, however with that ping i can't.

I've tried disabling the Firewall, homegroup shares etc.
I Tried using the command:
netsh interface tcp set global autotuning=disabled
No Luck.

Anyone with an idea at all i will buy a cookie if i ever meet them!

Thanks,
Luke

You could try Faster Ping. It may help lower your ping.

Free Download - Faster Ping 0.1beta - Simulation - Simtel.net

Unzip and dont't bother with the setup. Go in the fasterPing_0_1_1_11 folder, run FasterPing.exe as Administrator. Just click Apply. Reboot. Done

Programs not compatible, but thanks.
I'm convinced its a built in setting in 7 to be honest. I'm not after a program to improve my ping, i'm after a fix and a reason why it isn't the same as before.
Again, thanks for the help though

hfxcluke said:

Programs not compatible, but thanks.
I'm convinced its a built in setting in 7 to be honest. I'm not after a program to improve my ping, i'm after a fix and a reason why it isn't the same as before.
Again, thanks for the help though

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hfxcluke
Hi and welcome to SF. Glad to see your asking. Just curious, what was the fps and ping in vista and how is it different now? Whats you broadband connection like? Ever do a traceroute from computer to server to see if/where the slow down occurs?

Hope I have helped somewhat

Ken

hfxcluke said:

Programs not compatible, but thanks.
I'm convinced its a built in setting in 7 to be honest. I'm not after a program to improve my ping, i'm after a fix and a reason why it isn't the same as before.
Again, thanks for the help though

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It is compatable. I use it in 7 and Vista

Hi Ken,
I Never actually used Vista, i was using XP Pro SP3. The fps using XP was around 80 - 101 constantly, with my ping around 24 - 32ms on a uk server.
My broadbands okay, its 2mb but always worked fine.
I can tell its nothing to do with my broadband or the servers because of if i lower the fps, the ping is exactly what i expect.
Its gonna be an intresting one...

hfxcluke said:

Hi Ken,
I Never actually used Vista, i was using XP Pro SP3. The fps using XP was around 80 - 101 constantly, with my ping around 24 - 32ms on a uk server.
My broadbands okay, its 2mb but always worked fine.
I can tell its nothing to do with my broadband or the servers because of if i lower the fps, the ping is exactly what i expect.
Its gonna be an intresting one...

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hfxcluke
hey. How much memory do you have isntalled? We could help you more if you filled in "my system specs" in control panel. I think @100fps you're probably maxing out the 2 megs. I just tried it on a 10meg pipe @100fps and in order to get ping (which means nothing) down I had to uncap it to 8 Meg. At that rate it was chewing up computer memory and almost everything else (email, etc) slowed to a crawl.

There is a utility called traceroute It checks from your computer to the server and tells you where the slowdown is. Do a google and download it. this is what it looks like

Hi Ken,
I Don't think your quite understanding what i mean.

The ping problem is not related to my internet connection to the outside world.
It is something to do with windows 7 in some way.
This way could be the network interface, possibly a driver or something completely different but it is related to the RC and not my internet connection.

Therefore, theres little point doing a traceroute if thats not where my problem is.

Oh, and its 1.50GB. I posted the spec on the first post i made.

Thanks.

hfxcluke said:

Hi Ken,
I Don't think your quite understanding what i mean.

The ping problem is not related to my internet connection to the outside world.
It is something to do with windows 7 in some way.
This way could be the network interface, possibly a driver or something completely different but it is related to the RC and not my internet connection.

Therefore, theres little point doing a traceroute if thats not where my problem is.

Oh, and its 1.50GB. I posted the spec on the first post i made.

Thanks.

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hfxcluke

My bad. I hear ping and think zebra's. By ping time you're checking from 1pc on a lan to another?

It is possible that if the game is using full cpu resources, then the ping could suffer in that type of scenario. Meaning if the cpu is maxed out by the game, that doesn't leave networking a whole lot to go with.

I Agree, the CPU Usage doesn't top 20% while in game, nor memory usage.
I'm convinced it something thats changed in the networking of Win7. Its just finding out what.

Not really sure... BUt just to put it out there.. make sure your LAN/WAN device is setup with a set IP/DNS, and that your firewall rules are manually set with the games ports all open. I have a constant 50ms with a 95fps, my ISP (rogers) is rediculiously fast tho. I havent run into to many problems with Win7 (thank god vista BLEW) but i am sure there are some out there.. Bios and network drivers might help to. (go ahead someone tell me Bios wont effect it.... i dare ya)


anyways, try doing a speed test.. directed at the server City that was you can see whatt your DL/UL is.


I based my first write up on WOW my appologise.. had to correct some spots

I can confirm the ping is really horrible in Windows 7 when playing games. In command prompt its identical to windows xp so that is not the problem. On windows xp i get 5-10 ping on a server i always play on in tf2. Most servers in the list show a ping of 5-20 where the tops are around 50-80. I installed windows 7 a few days ago and the result is pretty horrible. Running win7 i get about 40-50 ping on a few servers where the rest are 80+. Playing on the server i always play on in tf2 i get 25-40 ping in win7. What the hell is wrong with the OS? I was so surprised i had to reinstall winxp just to be sure. The ping showed as 5-6 in winxp. I know for sure i wont be switching to win7 if that problem stays that is for sure. I went through build 7100 and 7264, both had the exact same ping problem.

I have a few question to ask and lets see where we get with the info.
I myself have noticed I get better pings and fps in windows 7 on css and tf2.

My questions, what is your NIC?
Do you have a router?
Does the router have the latest firmware?
If you have a router does it support IPv6?
Does the router have UPnP support?
(I know people hate having UPnP i don't know why tho)
Do you have all updated drivers for your hardware?
I have been seeing sound drivers cause some odd issues with steam games like low fps and high pings on some machine not all.

Well i wouldnt even be here if i had the same problem in windows xp Checked again just to be sure i was seeing things. Logged on to a server in win7, ping was around 30-35. Reinstalled winxp logged into the same server and ping is 5-6. Now the funny thing is the ping is *identical* in winxp/win7 when doing a normal ping. This appears to be limited to games, of course it could be anything really but you only notice it in games. I have a realtek.

The drivers i got from win7 update. I do not use a router. I did have problems installing the drivers for my soundcard(sb live 5.1) but i fixed it by running the install in winxp compatibility mode and it worked great. My soundcard wont even run without those drivers, the card is from 2002. Tho with the drivers it works flawless, just glad i fixed that rather easy in win7. The ping issue is unresolved and i have no solution to the problem or what could be the cause.

My guess is changing NIC might work i have quite a few to pick from, but its such a fuss to reinstall win7/winxp all the time(lol). I will do it once i have time. My rig: 2.5ghz(single core), 1.5gb ram, x1650 agp(flashed from asus=>sapphire, if you know asus x1650 you know why).

<edit> Had to turn on scripts for this site, apparently it wont keep the rows... talk about wall of text.

Allocating CPU

Hmmph,
How would you allocate cpu... I like the thought.

I seem to have troubles also,but I've just learned to deal with it.. and get owned by connections but I know deep down inside something is wrong
Check this out my daughter is 3 feet from me on a similar machine and has 1/2 the ping as I do playing left 4 dead (FPS)... Even when she isnt on, lets say my ping is 130ish in a usa server, then she joins her ping is 60ish this seems to be in all the FPS games we play online and it isnt a matter of both useing the same pipe either I've determined that.

Now I allocated the CPU in microsoft FSX flight sim in the FSX.cfg itself and made a great improvement but no online stuff other that casual flying and weather. Would be nice to find a solution. Mike

hi hfxcluke,

Im not here to solve your problem ! sorry ! but to join with you in saying WTF WINDOWS 7 !!!

I have exactly the same problem, even same game Counter strike source.

last week using Win_xp ping ~30-40ms ! ... now with Win_7 ping ~80+

I agree with you, they have changed something in networking and unfortunately it has made us "gamers" suffer ! ... if it isnt solved soon, im heading back to xp..

and for everyone out there... it is not a driver problem, it isnt a router problem,... if the exact same game, modem, PC ran a game at 20ms with XP than at 80+ms with Win7... the issue is WIN7 ... I have ran multiple softwares confirming i have all the latest WIN& drivers.. so it is not a driver problem...

Hope someone can figure this out.. or Windows 7 will lose many customers !!! the ONLINE GAMERS !

.. cheers

mighty said:

and for everyone out there... it is not a driver problem, it isnt a router problem,... if the exact same game, modem, PC ran a game at 20ms with XP than at 80+ms with Win7... the issue is WIN7 ... I have ran multiple softwares confirming i have all the latest WIN& drivers.. so it is not a driver problem...

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The latest driver doesn't mean it is the latest for Windows 7, or optimized for. Sadly most optimized fore Windows 7 drivers will probably not be out until after release.

logicearth said:

mighty said:

and for everyone out there... it is not a driver problem, it isnt a router problem,... if the exact same game, modem, PC ran a game at 20ms with XP than at 80+ms with Win7... the issue is WIN7 ... I have ran multiple softwares confirming i have all the latest WIN& drivers.. so it is not a driver problem...

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The latest driver doesn't mean it is the latest for Windows 7, or optimized for. Sadly most optimized fore Windows 7 drivers will probably not be out until after release.

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ok ok .. i realise that windows 7 has some bugs in it .. and what you really should do is give a new OS about one year before you use it.. you are right about the drivers i guess.. but the ones i used were all windows 7 drivers.. e.g. Gigabyte Mobo's have released there Windows 7 drivers.. and im not the only one having this issue.. there are hundreds of people complaing and filling the forums with ONLINE game LAG...

I agree with all you guys. All we can do is wait. It look like no one that works in the Microsoft tech website wants to comment on this issue. I have even emailed a tech I met at the 7 break out event and he responded like a deer in the road blind. I sent him all the urls and comments from all over to see if he could find out something. So far 3 days later no answer from him. Its sad because we are not the silent majority that will be buying this. I also read somewhere that this issue could delay the release. I doubt that. SAD