TV tuner card that supports hdmi input that works with MCE

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Does anyone knows if there is any TV tuner card out in the market that supports hdmi input and works with MCE.

If there is none, does MS plan to support this in the future?

Thanks.
 

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What is your objective for this potential "HDMI input"?

TV tuners on computer cards don't work from HDMI input. They work with coax input, either OTA ATSC from an antenna, or clear-QAM from a cable coax, or encrypted copy-protected QAM (via cablecard) froma cable coax. That's what "TV tuner" means.

So, what would you want to use HDMI input for?

Anyway, I very much doubt you can do anything with HDMI (in the commercial consumer world, anyway) except feed it to an HDCP-compliant display device. Any kind of an HDMI-enabled-for-input computer card, of any type, is clearly NOT an "HDCP-compliant display device" and is very likely meant to "steal" the digitally perfect (but uncompressed and in-the-clear... at a VERY high bitrate) audio/video data.

Furthermore, Windows Media Center (in Win7 especially) is totally DRM-obsessed! Only 100% cablelabs-compliant products which support all "rules of the road" as far as HDCP-compliant and what can be handled, displayed, recorded, etc., are allowed.


NOTE: you can investigate the Blackmagic Design products, but they're not really "consumer". They are most certainly NOT supported by WMC.
 

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Why hdmi input? Because my HD set top box provides hdmi output.

Just came back from computer center, lots of products out in the market take hdmi input, unfortunately MCE does not work with them.

Looks like my MCE is getting less and less useful, like to switch to a set top box recording capabilities. After watching HD, cannot see that I will go back to SD recordings.
 

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Hi,

You may want to take a look at This
It is now possible to get your complete satellite lineup, along with the complete guide data and paid channels within media center, without usind DVBViewer - saving the overhead of running DVBviewer in the background.
Click to expand...

Assuming, that is, if that's what you're looking to achieve...
 

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SpikyOyster said:
Why hdmi input? Because my HD set top box provides hdmi output.
Click to expand...
But again, HDMI output from your set top box is NOT meant to be recorded. It is meant to be displayed. Display devices have HDMI input connectors, and source devices have HDMI output connectors. These are not 2-way connectors, nor is the "in-the-clear de-compressed bitrate" intended to be recorded. It is meant to be displayed.

If you want to record the underlying MPEG-2 source transport streams for HD then you would use a firewire interface from your set top box (if it's a Motorola/FIOS family box, the older models of which have a pair of working firewire ports for exactly this reason)... connecting to a 5C-compliant DVHS VCR to archive anything HD (i.e. both copy-freely and copy-once content) to DVHS tape... via firewire.

Or, you can offload copy-freely content to PC, again via firewire.

But your set top box will not send transport stream data over firewire to a non-5C-compliant target device.

Nor will it send HDMI to anything but an HDCP-compliant display device (or AVR).

It's not just WMC that follows DRM/5C/HDCP rules and regulations. The industry defined what HDMI could and could not be used for, and what firewire interfaces from STB/DVR source devices could feed, specifically because they were hysterically concerned about digital piracy and making 100% perfect digital copies.

In fact, my JVC DT100U DVHS VCR will not send output over HDMI to a non-HDCP-compliant display device. You must use component video output (which is analog HD, not digital HD) if you don't have a qualified HDMI-capable display or HDTV.

I'm just saying... don't blame WMC for DRM. In fact, it was MS's agreement with Cablelabs to strictly enforce DRM that finally enabled the arrangement which permitted the Ceton cablecard-enabled 4-tuner device (which allows copy-once content to be recorded and displayed, albeit subject to some DRM rules and regulations) to be built, and sold... after many years of not being possible. Before this agreement only copy-freely clear-QAM content via cable coax was tunable.
 

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dsperber said:
SpikyOyster said:
Why hdmi input? Because my HD set top box provides hdmi output.
Click to expand...
But again, HDMI output from your set top box is NOT meant to be recorded. It is meant to be displayed. Display devices have HDMI input connectors, and source devices have HDMI output connectors. These are not 2-way connectors, nor is the "in-the-clear de-compressed bitrate" intended to be recorded. It is meant to be displayed.

If you want to record the underlying MPEG-2 source transport streams for HD then you would use a firewire interface from your set top box (if it's a Motorola/FIOS family box, the older models of which have a pair of working firewire ports for exactly this reason)... connecting to a 5C-compliant DVHS VCR to archive anything HD (i.e. both copy-freely and copy-once content) to DVHS tape... via firewire.

Or, you can offload copy-freely content to PC, again via firewire.

But your set top box will not send transport stream data over firewire to a non-5C-compliant target device.

Nor will it send HDMI to anything but an HDCP-compliant display device (or AVR).

It's not just WMC that follows DRM/5C/HDCP rules and regulations. The industry defined what HDMI could and could not be used for, and what firewire interfaces from STB/DVR source devices could feed, specifically because they were hysterically concerned about digital piracy and making 100% perfect digital copies.

In fact, my JVC DT100U DVHS VCR will not send output over HDMI to a non-HDCP-compliant display device. You must use component video output (which is analog HD, not digital HD) if you don't have a qualified HDMI-capable display or HDTV.

I'm just saying... don't blame WMC for DRM. In fact, it was MS's agreement with Cablelabs to strictly enforce DRM that finally enabled the arrangement which permitted the Ceton cablecard-enabled 4-tuner device (which allows copy-once content to be recorded and displayed, albeit subject to some DRM rules and regulations) to be built, and sold... after many years of not being possible. Before this agreement only copy-freely clear-QAM content via cable coax was tunable.
Click to expand...

This is such a helpful response. No wonder MCE popularity is at such a current state.
 

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