3 MAJOR Complaints of WMP12

I2aMpAnT · Jul 2, 2009

1. No advanced Tag Editor
2. No toolbar on the taskbar when minimized
3. No way to change the horrid color even Aero forces you to use

1. The lack of the advanced tag editor makes organizing large amounts of music particularly albums, close to impossible to do. Without WMP supplying me this tool, I have to use iTunes

2. The toolbar was very useful for quickly muting, adjusting volume and song controls. The preview box is not the same and certainly not good enough for an "upgraded program."

3. Being able to change your Aero theme colors is quite nice, adds more personalization and customizability that XP and previous versions did not have. The ability to match my Windows Media Player GUI with my Windows GUI was even better. Now the "default" color is an ugly "Windows Basic Theme" and can not be changed to match with my Windows Aero GUI.

All of these things together make me not even want to use Windows Media Player 12. I don't understand how a supposed "upgrade" lacks such key features. I would do the WMP11 "downgrade" but it only works for x86 editions and I have to use x64 to utilize my 8GB of DDR2. I suppose if I used in conjunction with iTunes I can deal with not having the 2nd and 3rd complaints met with. Windows Media Player 11 was a fine program doing everything I ever asked it to quickly and efficiently and looking nice and sounding nice while doing so, I've been using it since it released for Windows XP and I'm sad to see an inferior version replace it.

What do ya'll think about this supposed "upgraded" to Windows Media Player 11?
-I2aMpAnT

johngalt · Jul 2, 2009

#4 - It's not VLC

#5 - It's made by Micro$oft

#6 - It sucks.

However, as things go, it is still better than previous versions.

If they would only make it extensible - then we could get plugins for all this functionality that it is missing.

Ah, well - Kantaris - my love of choice.

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

I2aMpAnT said:
1. No advanced Tag Editor
2. No toolbar on the taskbar when minimized
3. No way to change the horrid color even Aero forces you to use

1. The lack of the advanced tag editor makes organizing large amounts of music particularly albums, close to impossible to do. Without WMP supplying me this tool, I have to use iTunes

2. The toolbar was very useful for quickly muting, adjusting volume and song controls. The preview box is not the same and certainly not good enough for an "upgraded program."

3. Being able to change your Aero theme colors is quite nice, adds more personalization and customizability that XP and previous versions did not have. The ability to match my Windows Media Player GUI with my Windows GUI was even better. Now the "default" color is an ugly "Windows Basic Theme" and can not be changed to match with my Windows Aero GUI.

All of these things together make me not even want to use Windows Media Player 12. I don't understand how a supposed "upgrade" lacks such key features. I would do the WMP11 "downgrade" but it only works for x86 editions and I have to use x64 to utilize my 8GB of DDR2. I suppose if I used in conjunction with iTunes I can deal with not having the 2nd and 3rd complaints met with. Windows Media Player 11 was a fine program doing everything I ever asked it to quickly and efficiently and looking nice and sounding nice while doing so, I've been using it since it released for Windows XP and I'm sad to see an inferior version replace it.

What do ya'll think about this supposed "upgraded" to Windows Media Player 11?
-I2aMpAnT

johngalt said:
#4 - It's not VLC

#5 - It's made by Micro$oft

#6 - It sucks.

However, as things go, it is still better than previous versions.

If they would only make it extensible - then we could get plugins for all this functionality that it is missing.

Ah, well - Kantaris - my love of choice.

It's certainly not better than WMP11. And who cares that it's made by Microsoft, as I clearly stated it's always done what I've asked for it to do quickly and so I've no problem with WMP11 but WMP12 is a heartbreak

Webadict · Jul 3, 2009

One Plus for me is that it seems to sync my iPod a little faster, but other then that, I don't think it was an improvment.

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

Webadict said:
One Plus for me is that it seems to sync my iPod a little faster, but other then that, I don't think it was an improvment.

It syncs to your iPod?

Webadict · Jul 3, 2009

Sure does . . .with this

Sync your iPod with Windows Media Player

Hope this helps

Scott

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

Webadict said:
Sure does . . .with this

Sync your iPod with Windows Media Player

Hope this helps

Scott

Does that allow you to sync with more than 1 music library?
If so, I feel even worse that WMP12 was such a let down

Webadict · Jul 3, 2009

Sure does. It works seamlessly in the background.

I don't even know it's there.

Hope this helps.

Scott

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

Webadict said:
Sure does. It works seamlessly in the background.

I don't even know it's there.

Hope this helps.

Scott

Wow that's quite depressing.

Webadict · Jul 3, 2009

I don't know . . . I use MediaMonkey for my library managment, and WMP12 for my playlists and streaming.

To me, MediaMonkey always has had a better TAG editor and managment tools then WMP anyway, so no great loss.

Hope this helps

Scott

YupYup · Jul 3, 2009

johngalt said:
#4 - It's not VLC

#5 - It's made by Micro$oft

#6 - It sucks.

However, as things go, it is still better than previous versions.

If they would only make it extensible - then we could get plugins for all this functionality that it is missing.

Ah, well - Kantaris - my love of choice.

Lol i was going to say if he only found three he must be doing something wrong.

johngalt · Jul 3, 2009

Yeah - I think he took my comments as sarcasm directed at him, but I was not being facetious in any way - I was being dead serious.

And since I use it so little, what I do use it for it works great - better than WiMP 11 ever did, so....

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

YupYup said:
Lol i was going to say if he only found three he must be doing something wrong.

johngalt said:
Yeah - I think he took my comments as sarcasm directed at him, but I was not being facetious in any way - I was being dead serious.

And since I use it so little, what I do use it for it works great - better than WiMP 11 ever did, so....

oh I'm sure you were being serious, but also unneccesarily critical. I use WMP to organize and listen to music and play MKV files with 5.1 Digital Surround. For a proprietary program to do that with only 2 plugin packs required is very nice. I never found any reason to compain about anything. If it works, it works, no need to complain about something that works. Also being the reason why I only have 3 major complaints about WMP12.

Lee · Jul 3, 2009

Media Monkey - it allows you to change the look to WMP 11 if you so desire. iTunes is not longer needed on my computer since Media Monkey sync to my iPod. Also it makes a great library organizer, etc., etc.,

Will have to say that with the Win7Codecs pack it is the only application I use for watching videos and movies (works great)

garbanzo · Jul 3, 2009

wmp, just like explorer, is made for the average user. power users will naturally use 3rd party apps.

foobar for audio
mpc for video
directory opus for file browsing
everything for searches
etc

windows is an OS, not an all-in-one app solution. it's nice that it comes with a media player, web browser, etc. but don't expect them all to be perfect!

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

garbanzo said:
wmp, just like explorer, is made for the average user. power users will naturally use 3rd party apps.

foobar for audio
mpc for video
directory opus for file browsing
everything for searches
etc

windows is an OS, not an all-in-one app solution. it's nice that it comes with a media player, web browser, etc. but don't expect them all to be perfect!

Definition of an average user in this instance then would be someone who is satisfied with what can be done and doesn't require any extra "bling". In that case I would definitely be an average user.

However as in true definition I'm nowhere near an "average user" but when something does it's job it's good enough for me.

I'm not looking to start a war on what programs are the best to use I'm just asking what you think about the lack of those 3 options from WMP12 which I feel are very necessary to fully complete the program. Clearly a lot of you don't even like or care to use WMP so it's probably best that you don't post.

johngalt · Jul 3, 2009

Whereas I prefer not to have my media *player* program get bloated with side projects like tag editing - I still use MP3-TagIt (unsupported) and am exploring other programs to edit tags of other media files, but I prefer to handle tag editing *outside* of my media player - otherwise it seems to get bloated, especially when it scans for tags or tries to verify info online for my 400K+ collection....

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

johngalt said:
Whereas I prefer not to have my media *player* program get bloated with side projects like tag editing - I still use MP3-TagIt (unsupported) and am exploring other programs to edit tags of other media files, but I prefer to handle tag editing *outside* of my media player - otherwise it seems to get bloated, especially when it scans for tags or tries to verify info online for my 400K+ collection....

Bloated?
It's a right click option that you never see until you use it. Also the Album Info lookup is a very nice option to quickly rename and add track info to your files, and then do the advanced tag editing to add your own preferences.
And there's an option that allows only new information to be added to your collection instead of overwriting current information. I don't see what the problem is...?

johngalt · Jul 3, 2009

Bloated in that my tag editor uses all of 2 MB of space when running, and I can just as easily look up and add track info from online as well. Like I said, it is my personal preference to not have this in my media player as I have always edited track info externally and continue to wish to do so.

Adding a feature set like this to WiMP will make it bloated - right click / context menu or not, it has to pre-load the code, making the player use more memory then is needed for simple audio and video playback.

I2aMpAnT · Jul 3, 2009

johngalt said:
Bloated in that my tag editor uses all of 2 MB of space when running, and I can just as easily look up and add track info from online as well. Like I said, it is my personal preference to not have this in my media player as I have always edited track info externally and continue to wish to do so.

Adding a feature set like this to WiMP will make it bloated - right click / context menu or not, it has to pre-load the code, making the player use more memory then is needed for simple audio and video playback.

Well it very much is a personal preference. I don't see a need to worry about a tiny bit of extra memory usage but as you said, that's just me.

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