Solved 2 drive ssd choice

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For a second drive I'm looking at ssd 200 to 300 gig but I don't know the plus and minus of ssd II and a ssd III for this purpose. Well the price is a lot different.
My primary drive is a series 510 Intel 120 gb sate III.
 

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Why do you want a 2nd SSD in your machine? Are you intending to use it for storage? Because for things like movies, pictures, music, and Internet downloads...I don't see where the extra speed of the SSD makes a substantial improvement. I mean, if you are going to listen to a 4 minute MP3 file...you don't really need to load the entire thing in 0.00001 seconds. 0.02 seconds from a standard hard drive would be just fine.
 

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I would vote with pparks. At this time, SSDs make a lot of sense for the OS and little sense for data. The gain you get for data storage is very expensive. And for the OS, a 2nd generation SSD is sufficient.
 

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Trust me. You won't notice the difference for user files.
 

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Trust me. You won't notice the difference for user files.
In general you are absolutely right. For the average system there is probably very little gain. But I think that you would notice a difference e.g. with video editing/encoding if you have a very powerful CPU.

I noticed the difference when I compare my desktop (duo core CPU) where I edit/encode to a HDD with my Vaio laptop (i7 CPU) that has one Vertex2 for everything. The time difference for video work is about 4:1. I am sure some is because of the more powerful CPU but some is probably also because of the use of the SSD on the Vaio.
 

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agree, buy a good 7200 rmp hdd for any secondary drives.

whs, you need to remember that for video editing rather everything is on one drive or on different drives the temp files for encoding are stored on c. meaning once you select say xyz.avi to convert to xyz.mkv the avi is going to be temporarily stored on c, so no you are not going to see a performance difference from having one drive for everything to having multiple drives for your files. as for the performance difference your talking about i have a core2duo e8400 system, and without ever running one i know a i3 550 system will out preform my current system by at least double, so by that a i7 system will simply knock the socks off any core duo system.
 

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Trust me. You won't notice the difference for user files.
In general you are absolutely right. For the average system there is probably very little gain. But I think that you would notice a difference e.g. with video editing/encoding if you have a very powerful CPU.

I noticed the difference when I compare my desktop (duo core CPU) where I edit/encode to a HDD with my Vaio laptop (i7 CPU) that has one Vertex2 for everything. The time difference for video work is about 4:1. I am sure some is because of the more powerful CPU but some is probably also because of the use of the SSD on the Vaio.

I agree to that for uses such as you are referring to. But my post was referring to normal user files. I have all my user files on a 7200 RPM drive. I never have to wait, they open instantly.
 

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An SSD is overkill for an average users storage/user file purposes,
better to buy one or two latest gen 1 or 2 TB HDD for the fraction of the money
you'd pay for an SSD.

I noticed the difference when I compare my desktop (duo core CPU) where I edit/encode to a HDD with my Vaio laptop (i7 CPU) that has one Vertex2 for everything. The time difference for video work is about 4:1. I am sure some is because of the more powerful CPU but some is probably also because of the use of the SSD on the Vaio.
I think it's an effect of both the i7 & SSD on the time difference.
 

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Thanks for all the inputs. I'm looking ahead, maybe to far. Because of price it wouldn't be the time to buy another ssd. I talked to my Intel dealer (who just came back from one of those big shot seminars) and I was told when all the ssd sata II were sold they will be gone forever and only ssd sata III will be make. I had hopes that ssd sata II would drop in price. Maybe not though. I was also told that all manufactures of ssd are not able to keep up with demand at the present time. I'm still trying to balance the price of a ssd as a second drive and the need of performance. I don't do any video editing or things like that. I have a fairly fast system and don't want something to slow it down within reason.
 

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Thanks for all the inputs. I'm looking ahead, maybe to far. Because of price it wouldn't be the time to buy another ssd. I talked to my Intel dealer (who just came back from one of those big shot seminars) and I was told when all the ssd sata II were sold they will be gone forever and only ssd sata III will be make. I had hopes that ssd sata II would drop in price. Maybe not though. I was also told that all manufactures of ssd are not able to keep up with demand at the present time. I'm still trying to balance the price of a ssd as a second drive and the need of performance. I don't do any video editing or things like that. I have a fairly fast system and don't want something to slow it down within reason.

The new Intel 320 drives are sataII. The only SATAIII drives made by Intel were the 510 model.
 

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Thanks for all the inputs. I'm looking ahead, maybe to far. Because of price it wouldn't be the time to buy another ssd. I talked to my Intel dealer (who just came back from one of those big shot seminars) and I was told when all the ssd sata II were sold they will be gone forever and only ssd sata III will be make. I had hopes that ssd sata II would drop in price. Maybe not though. I was also told that all manufactures of ssd are not able to keep up with demand at the present time. I'm still trying to balance the price of a ssd as a second drive and the need of performance. I don't do any video editing or things like that. I have a fairly fast system and don't want something to slow it down within reason.

MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC is your video card. i suggest getting a 1bt or higher western digital green drive and a nvidia 560 ti considering your running a i7 960 machine.
 

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A HDD wont slow your system down at all & you can't go wrong buying a 1 or 2 TB HDD-they always come in handy, at least for me.
I wouldn't go for the WD Green series, they suffer from a critical design flaw.
I'd recommend a Caviar Blue or Black series disk or a Samsung Spinpoint F3, they all have better performance, than the Greens.
 

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A HDD wont slow your system down at all & you can't go wrong buying a 1 or 2 TB HDD-they always come in handy, at least for me.
I wouldn't go for the WD Green series, they suffer from a critical design flaw.
I'd recommend a Caviar Blue or Black series disk or a Samsung Spinpoint F3, they all have better performance, than the Greens.

reaper i currently have 2 500gig green and one 1tb green. my roommate has 3 500gig green and a 1tb and 2tb green. not one of these has ever been a problem. caviar unless wd has changed the way they make them in years past use to have nothing but problems. samsung on the other hand i would also would recommend.
 

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whs I have been looking at that but I still don't know if you can defrag that hdd with a part ssd. If it could be defraged I would go for it.
 

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A HDD wont slow your system down at all & you can't go wrong buying a 1 or 2 TB HDD-they always come in handy, at least for me.
I wouldn't go for the WD Green series, they suffer from a critical design flaw.
I'd recommend a Caviar Blue or Black series disk or a Samsung Spinpoint F3, they all have better performance, than the Greens.
Agreed.

Why buy a potential known problem.

My preference is Caviar Black but any of the three mentioned or the Seagate posted by WHS would be good candidates.
 

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I have the Samsung hd103sj 1TB. In fact I have 3 of them and love them.With mechanical drives, there is no advantage to buying sataIII drives. I have a 500GB Seagate SataIII drive and a Western Digital Black 1TB FAEX sataIII drive. The sataII Samsungs will keep up with any of them.
 

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While we are talking about mechanical HD. Here are the results of 3 HDs I have. The WD Black sataIII is internal, the Seagate 500GB sataIII is internal, the Samsung 1TB is in a esata external enclosure.

3 Hard Drives.PNG


EDIT: the tests are only for the geeks among us. In actual use, there is no difference in any of them.
 
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Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops
OS
Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
CPU
from 1.6GHz Duo to i7
Monitor(s) Displays
2x HP w2207
Hard Drives
5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
Keyboard
with trackball - no mices
Mouse
Trackball mice
Internet Speed
DSL 6000
You are correct, lots of information. I didn't see any thing about defrag of the hybrid. I will continue to look.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pr...Intel i7-6800K @ 4.3Corsair Platinum 16 gig @2400EVGA GTX 1070 OC
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home made Desktop
OS
Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
CPU
Intel i7-6800K @ 4.3
Motherboard
ASUS X-99 Deluxe II
Memory
Corsair Platinum 16 gig @2400
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 1070 OC
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus 27" LED LCD/VE278Q
Screen Resolution
1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI
Hard Drives
INTEL SSD 730-240 Gb Sata 3.0/
PSU
EVGA Platium 1200W
Case
Phanteks Luxe Tempered Glass 8 fans/ one radiator
Cooling
XSPC/ Water Cooled CPU
Keyboard
Das 4 Professional
Mouse
Logitech M705/MX Anywhere 2-S
Internet Speed
100 mbits
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/ Malwarebytes Premium 3.0/ SAS
Browser
I.E. 11 default/Firefox/ ISP Time Warner Cable/Spectrum
Other Info
LG BluRay Burner/
Sound system-KLipsch-THX/
Icy Dock ssd Hot Swap bays.
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