New System. If anyone sees prob with components, alert appreciated

johntkucz · Jul 11, 2011

Hey have been oggling, mixing-matching, reading reviews, comparing prices, and tweaking trying to [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]optimize[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] system (first but should have built this years ago) while in admittedly tight budget.

Here's the parts
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/ [...] D=11783649

If anyone sees any red flags PLS would really appreciate someone mentioning them like..

"Oh that graphics [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]card[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] dies quickly"
or
"That mobo is better for..." or whatever considerations.

Otherwise seems good to me and I look forward to getting mobo (it will unfortunatley take me awhile to acquire the parts because of financial budget but I at least want to make sure all the parts are right). Thanks.

LiquidSnak · Jul 11, 2011

You are going to have to take a snip or screenshot, as we don't know your newegg login or password

johntkucz · Jul 11, 2011

-Is power supply adequate?
-limitations of graphics card?

Most all parts were the result of tweaking an interest and reading tons of reviews. Am excited about this but want to make sure compatibility is present and Am I missing anything? Will I need a

wireless card?
ethernet card?
sound card?

LiquidSnak · Jul 11, 2011

Please see above post

johntkucz · Jul 19, 2011

thanks for checking out list (or trying to)!!

I can't seem to get newegg wishlists public. I selected "share" but doesn't work. So here' the build(s)

My Intel build. I had second thoughts on the Phenom II amd (how does i5 2405s compare to AMD Phenom II Deneb? how is the integrated gpu on 2405s?) I like this new case Rosewill (changed from an Antec). MUCH more. it has usb 30.0 in front (I've got an AWESOME external 3.0 usb toshiba 1tb that I love). I've never had more than 1tb external and never more than 500gb internal. HAHA!! This will be twice as much ram, 4 times as much internal HD, and the fastest cpu I've ever had (and I've had over a dozen computers!) And my first rig!! OMFG So psyched!!!!!!! I want to order one of these parts (prob the power supply) by the end of this month (it will take me awhile to afford all parts (prob by nov this year though!!!) to start the process whoo-whoo! :bounce:

uch:

Key Questions
--Is power supply adequate?
--(huge one), the 2405s i5 says it has "heat sink and fan". I like the idea of installing my own fan (hyper 212) so...would I need a cpu fan wiht 2405s? if I got 2405s and hyper 212, would cooler master hyper 212 be unusable?
---cpu and gpu quality is my main concern. The ram and HD will be massive upgrades from everything I've ever worked iwth. sweet!
--How does the intel build (no gpu) compare to the AMD build? the prices are very comparable (the case, HD, ram, power supply, and fan are identical in both builds).

INTEL Build (newest one, updated from amd build)

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Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear 120mm Fan,Support up to 7 Fans

Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear ...
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$79.99 -$10.00 Instant $69.99

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ASUS P8H67-M LE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

ASUS P8H67-M LE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Model #8H67-M LE (REV 3.0)
Item #:N82E16813131712
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$104.99 $104.99

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APEX AL-D500EXP 500W ATX12V Power Supply

APEX AL-D500EXP 500W ATX12V Power Supply
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Item #:N82E16817154026
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$44.99 -$5.00 Instant $39.99

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Intel Core i5-2405S Sandy Bridge 2.5GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52405S
Model #:BX80623I52405S
Item #:N82E16819116400
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Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/8G

Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
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Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
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AMD Build. (swapped a few things, like Antec case for this new Rosewill) but this was what I originally linked, had second thoughts because of no familiarity with AMD and am leaning more toward the i5 build.

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Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear 120mm Fan,Support up to 7 Fans
Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear ...
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ASUS M5A87 AM3+ AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
ASUS M5A87 AM3+ AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
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GIGABYTE GV-N440D3-1GI GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
GIGABYTE GV-N440D3-1GI GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
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Item #:N82E16814125366
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$79.99 $79.99
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APEX AL-D500EXP 500W ATX12V Power Supply
APEX AL-D500EXP 500W ATX12V Power Supply
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Item #:N82E16817154026
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$44.99 -$5.00 Instant $39.99
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AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
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Item #:N82E16819103808
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$119.99 $119.99
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Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
Model #:KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
Item #:N82E16820139075
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$69.99 -$16.00 Instant $53.99
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Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:ST2000DL003
Item #:N82E16822148681
Return Policy:Standard Return Policy
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$89.99 -$10.00 Instant $79.99
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COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
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johntkucz · Jul 19, 2011

again, just wanted to say thanks again for initial interest. This is one of the most valuable (and surprisingly hard to accomplish mainly because of cost) projects have ever done (first rig, but have had over a dozen computers and have learned about these components since 1996 (they have obviously changes since then!!)

essenbe · Jul 19, 2011

My only observations are that with the 2405s, you will not be overclocking and the stock heatsink and fan will be sufficient and you really don't need the 212. I am not familar with the PSU brand. Yes it
is cheap, but it is the heart of your system and that is one item you do not want to skimp on. I always recommend Corsair, Antec and Seasonic PSUs. They are more expensive, but are well worth the added expense. If the PSU goes out it can take the motherboard and other components with it.

LiquidSnak · Jul 19, 2011

essenbe said:
My only observations are that with the 2405s, you will not be overclocking and the stock heatsink and fan will be sufficient and you really don't need the 212. I am not familar with the PSU brand. Yes it
is cheap, but it is the heart of your system and that is one item you do not want to skimp on. I always recommend Corsair, Antec and Seasonic PSUs. They are more expensive, but are well worth the added expense. If the PSU goes out it can take the motherboard and other components with it.

I agree. I also recommend Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, and Thermaltake Power Supplies. Your temperatures will really climb if you later decide to OC with stock cooling, and in my experience, however, stock intel cooling is poo.

essenbe · Jul 19, 2011

@LiquidSnak I agree about Intel stock coolers, but it is my understanding you can't OC the 2405s more than about 300MHz.

johntkucz · Jul 21, 2011

essenbe said:
My only observations are that with the 2405s, you will not be overclocking and the stock heatsink and fan will be sufficient and you really don't need the 212. I am not familar with the PSU brand. Yes it
is cheap, but it is the heart of your system and that is one item you do not want to skimp on. I always recommend Corsair, Antec and Seasonic PSUs. They are more expensive, but are well worth the added expense. If the PSU goes out it can take the motherboard and other components with it.

Hey essenbe,
Ah brilliant thanks for directly answsering that question. I thought a such.

hhm WOW I REALLY like that tech wisdom advice. The power supply was something I am slightly flexible on. (DEF using asus, i like kingston ram, I really like the rosewill case (front-side usb 3!) and like the HD) I might slightly upgrade the psu. There were much cheaper. I read one review (of a significantly less expensive one, and the person said it "leaked" something all over motherboard!

Thanks for fast response and GOOD TIPS!!!

What's view on the AMD build? Only difference is cpu and gpu. I think I like that one as then I can install my own 212 fan, (something I want to do) and have own gpu

with 2405s integrated gpu, if you install a pci gpu, what happens to the integrated oen?
are both used?
is only the cpu gpu used?
is only the pci gpu used?

I think I like the amd build because the point is to "build the rig" and the intel build kind of takes care of the fan and gpu, a convenience for some, but might be cumbersome for my goal of building own rig.

AGain, thanks again, essenbe, for concise, clear, tips!!!

that's really sound about the PSU (and that is indeed one thing not to overlook).

What about generators???? I am used to laptops so if power goes out no prob. I may look into a very inexpensive one of those (like one that has only 5 minutes of power. ) I use massive surge protectors most of the time.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Okay on second thoughts I think I like the AMD build (first one i made, but second one in post).

Some rudimentary concerns/consideratiosn however.

Will I need an ethernet card?
What's up with te gpu ? I plan to use at least 2-3 monitors. (I will be getting USB adapters though so I can plug in monitors to usb). I saw some really high-end graphics cards (wayyyy otuside budget) that had multipel ports (I think DVI). I think this looks good though.

johntkucz · Jul 21, 2011

LiquidSnak said:
essenbe said:

My only observations are that with the 2405s, you will not be overclocking and the stock heatsink and fan will be sufficient and you really don't need the 212. I am not familar with the PSU brand. Yes it
is cheap, but it is the heart of your system and that is one item you do not want to skimp on. I always recommend Corsair, Antec and Seasonic PSUs. They are more expensive, but are well worth the added expense. If the PSU goes out it can take the motherboard and other components with it.

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I agree. I also recommend Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, and Thermaltake Power Supplies. Your temperatures will really climb if you later decide to OC with stock cooling, and in my experience, however, stock intel cooling is poo.

sweetness!! This is exquisitely helpful, mates!

What's wrong with apex?? PSU is something I have VERY little familiarity with (as one only really encoutners it building own rig) and this is the first (although much pondered for past year and learned about off and on past few decades!).

I don't understand

if you later decide to OC with stock cooling, and in my experience, however, stock intel cooling is poo.[

exactly. 2405s really overheats is the implication??

how's overclocking on the AMD ???

Why are those PSU brands more reliable. I guess I just liked the brandname "apex' which a silly reason for selecting component lol.

But I have never overclocked but it does interest me greatly.

Sounds like you're saying overclockign 2405s is challenging (or requires tons of cooling)

Or are you saying that hte built in intel fan with 2405s is lame

"stock intel cooling" ???

How's the
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

for cooling and overclocking?

what is needed for overclocking?

Anyways thanks a ton for helping this project take off/acquire critical mass/get started/get initiated/making it so/ etc haha!!!

I think the first piece I will order will be the case.

Newegg.com - Rosewill FUTURE Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case,come with Four Fans-2x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan,1x Top 120mm Fan,1x Rear 120mm Fan,Support up to 7 Fans

smashing reviews on newegg.
micro atx and atx compatible (not that I'd be swapping mobos lol).
great front-side
4-fans

seems awesome.

clarifying fan stuff. if I went with hyper 212 that would be the cpu fan??? And then the four other fans built into the Rosewill would cool what (just all components).

IMPORTANT QUESTION
power supply is mounted in bottom of Rosewill case. Is that okay (I guess so, heat rising, prob better bottom than top mounted).

I won't be ordering all these parts simul. So getting one, I think would be ideal.

Would I need graphics card?
will either gpu (the 2405s integrated or the GIGABYTE GV-N440D3-1GI GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card)

be ideal for multiple monitors (like 2 19"s and a 24" ports arent' a problem because can use USB convertors)

Monitor Question.
If I have a DVI monitor and I use a DVI-to-VGA convertor and then connect it to a VGA port, does that DVI monitor lose quality (Because of vga port)?? seems like it would I guess hhmm bollocks.

Anyways thanks again!

johntkucz · Jul 21, 2011

dang a lot of questions. No need to answer them.

the PSU insight is invalauble but what's wrong with

Newegg.com - APEX AL-D500EXP 500W ATX12V Power Supply

yes it's very inexpensive but seems to have good reviews.

Are you suggesting diff brand and/or higher wattage?

honestly that apex one still looks decent

this 600W corsair is $70

Newegg.com - CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

I don't understand why this one

Newegg.com - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply

with same wattage is $30 more.

PSU is prob the component I know least about and should learn more.

I think the case is def a go, though!

essenbe · Jul 21, 2011

I probably can't answer all your questions but... AMD and Intel stock coolers are both not real good. However, if you do not overclock they will do OK.
The Phenom CPU you selected is a good CPU and can be overclocked. However, (personal opinion) they cannot compete performance wise with the new Intel CPU's, But are not very overclockable other than the 2500K or the 2600K. The K versions are very much overclockable and will overclock much more that the phenom you selected. But, to overclock with the K version chips you will need a P67 or Z68 socket 1155 motherboard.

As far as on board graphics. With the AMD it will depend on which motherboard you select. An FX motherboard requires a graphics card and a GX motherboard will have on board graphics (rule of thumb). Intel- the P67 board requires a graphics card. Z68 can use either on board or a dedicated Graphics card.

Top mounted or bottom mounted is pretty much a personal decision. I prefer bottom mounted PSU's much for the reason you mentioned. Others prefer top mounted. They both have their pros and cons. Either will work just fine.

I have a Rosewill Challanger case. It is a good case and will serve it's purpose.

I hope these answered at least some of your questions. As far as the PSU, quality is the most important thing. A PSU can go out and take your motherboard and other components with it. I use several PSU calculators and choose a PSU twice the amount the calculator says. This gives room to upgrade and also does not strain the PSU thus making it run cooler and last longer. My rule of thumb is I want a PSU that will be running at about60% of it's max. As with any other component, you can get cheap or quality. They are rarely the same. I still recommend Corsair, Antec, and Seasonic. I have never used Thermaltake but have heard good things about them. I do not consider Apex as a quality PSU.Again, my personal opinion.

In the size range and brand of PSU you selected I would prefer the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W

johntkucz · Jul 23, 2011

Newegg.com - Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Sweet, most likely will be getting this PSU

Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

johntkucz · Jul 23, 2011

Green (enviro-friendly) same wattage . good reviews.

Can anyone provide electrical details of why this one is normally twice the price of the apex one I had before? This one looks quality.

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Feel a lot better getting this one. This most likely (because of the sale) will be first component I get! sweet!

This makes the apex one look considerably shabby (after reading more about the antec psu).

LiquidSnak · Jul 24, 2011

I am very happy with my earthwatts.

gazz9496 · Jul 24, 2011

don't worry about the stock intel cooler, there is nothing wrong with them untill you want to overclock, at that point the investment costs into the system go up anyway for an overall cooling solution.

i'm slightly concerned by your hdd choice, 2 tb 5900rpm is going to have slower access times than any 7200 rpm model, it's not something i would reccomend as a system drive, storage only.

best of luck with what ever you decide.

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