What exactly is the God particle?

Higgs bosun (aka God Particle) discussion ONLY

For those following the recent developments at CERN, here is an interesting laymans description of the Higgs boson particle, and why its important.

What is the God Particle, Exactly? | BostInno

And for those with not enough to do this evening, brush up on your bosons here:
Standard Model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just adding something there, my friend

For those who are thinking that the God particle is something to do with the God, it is not the real fact. The name came differently. The name came from the book written by Lederman : The God Particle - if the universe is the answer, what is the question ?

Lederman was not supposed to provide that name, but he actually wrote it as "The Goddamn Particle" . But Dell Publishing House wanted a name that will me more catching . So the damn part gone from goddamn, and it stood as god only.

That little move turned to be an epic.

Its great how science has those sorts of moments. Another good example, is the "Big Bang" model of the universe - the term was coined by Fred Hoyle (the biggest detractor of what would become the Big Bang Model) who sarcastically referred to "this big bang model" in a radio debate in 1949.

I just watched a fairly lengthy documentary about this on Hulu a few days back, and never understood the significance of this, other than it seemed to the the holy grail of science. The question was asked repeatedly to one scientist after another, and not one of them could provide a clear answer. Yes, they were all enthusiastic about the subject, but did more stuttering than speaking clearly. The only thing that they made perfectly clear, was that they wanted a lot more money for their research.

we would like fifty dollars or more to put a bit of god particle in your house .
amen to that.
these scientist with their wishy washy theories, they should leave it to the professionals.

Cool, glad to see your'e getting into all of this meekerseistser. Whats the name of the documentary - I'd like to have a look at that. I feel a little bit like a charm quark today.

Golden said:

Cool, glad to see your'e getting into all of this meekerseistser. Whats the name of the documentary - I'd like to have a look at that. I feel a little bit like a charm quark today.

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That's good news
I know a strange quark though Guess who ?

I watch the same on Hulu. These star gazers have lots of theories and get lots of money for them. The great people many years ago with all the brains swore the earth was flat. Well that theory went to the crapper. If it all started with the Big Bang who or what made the Big Bang. If who or what did make a Big Bang what makes scientist think they can figure out something so strange and powerful that happened billions of years ago maybe. Hell they haven't figured what gravity is. We got it but what is it. I have a theory that their is antimatter it is politicians. Their is a Black Hole its Washington D.C. that sucks in all are money. If you want more of my theories it will cost you.

Layback Bear said:

Hell they haven't figured what gravity is.

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Better have a read of this mate:
Gravitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Golden said:

Better have a read of this mate:
Gravitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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One very important thing is not mentioned in that page Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love .

Hehehe Arc - true, its called "animal attraction".

Golden said:

Hehehe Arc - true, its called "animal attraction".

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I guess your post is noticed :shock: :shock:

I have followed this discussion about Higgs particle around the media with great interest. Thursday at work on lunch someone started to talk about it and due a story I had seen the same morning on Finnish Breakfast TV (clip for those who understand Finnish ), I told how interesting everything is, how the science is finally given more information about what this all is and where and how it started.

A co-worker mentioned he finds it absurd how science is trying to take credits from God. Suddenly we were talking about The Big Bang and stuff. One thing led to another, suddenly this mentioned co-worker asked why science can't accept the fact that the universe was created some 6,000 years ago (really!). When asked how to hell we can find a million year old fossil if the world is only 6,000 years old, he bluntly told the creator had a reason to create the fossil already almost million years old and it is not up to us to try to reason why. Lunch and discussion ended here.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, back in history the earth was believed to be flat. Science proved it to be a globe while church was telling people believing so were witches. Same thing with the earth and planets orbiting the Sun; there was a big chance you were burned to death if you believed it for the church told earth is the center of the universe and sun is rotating us.

It's been like this last 2,000 years. Science proves something, the church keeps arguing until the bitter end when they finally have to acknowledge the truth.

We cannot ignore the science every time it contradicts our personal beliefs.

Kari

Kari said:

I have followed this discussion about Higgs particle around the media with great interest. Thursday at work on lunch someone started to talk about it and due a story I had seen the same morning on Finnish Breakfast TV (clip for those who understand Finnish ), I told how interesting everything is, how the science is finally given more information about what this all is and where and how it started.

A co-worker mentioned he finds it absurd how science is trying to take credits from God. Suddenly we were talking about The Big Bang and stuff. One thing led to another, suddenly this mentioned co-worker asked why science can't accept the fact that the universe was created some 6,000 years ago (really!). When asked how to hell we can find a million year old fossil if the world is only 6,000 years old, he bluntly told the creator had a reason to create the fossil already almost million years old and it is not up to us to try to reason why. Lunch and discussion ended here.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, back in history the earth was believed to be flat. Science proved it to be a globe while church was telling people believing so were witches. Same thing with the earth and planets orbiting the Sun; there was a big chance you were burned to death if you believed it for the church told earth is the center of the universe and sun is rotating us.

It's been like this last 2,000 years. Science proves something, the church keeps arguing until the bitter end when they finally have to acknowledge the truth.

We cannot ignore the science every time it contradicts our personal beliefs.

Kari

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My thoughts exactly, well said Kari.

Kari - you can have lunch with me any time, and I'll pay!

Thanks, Golden. Checking flights as we speak

It seems that this thread is turning into a religious one without any help from me. That's not really a surprise to me, because all religious fanatics are not just in churches.

Golden said:

Layback Bear said:

Hell they haven't figured what gravity is.

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Better have a read of this mate:
Gravitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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That article does a good job of summing up the characteristics of gravity and list a number of THEORIES relating to it, but it does not define exactly what gravity is. Until it is possible to drop the term theory from it's nomenclature, no one can say that we know what gravity is.

Its easy really : in Newtonian physics, gravity is the force of attraction between any objects of mass. Einstein postulated that in the presence of bodies of large mass, gravity is the warping of space-time. Eddington proved that objects of heavy mass do indeed warp space-time by measuring the deflection of light from stars, by the sun, during a solar eclipse. This gave rise to the acceptance of General Relativity.

This might be of some help to you:
LISA mission gives humans a sixth sense :: NASA's The Space Place

You fail to understand what I said. You cannot define what anything is by merely describing their characteristics and effects. It is easy only if you settle for less than a complete understanding.