New HP laptop, want to add a copy of 7 pro while keeping stock copy?

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Okay brand new HP Pavilion DV6t-7000, it has 7 home premium on it from the factory which i dont mind but i have a few copies of 7 pro, i am about to go into my junior year of college as a Information Systems Major, ive worked some on an IT helpdesk as well this is just a little background to say im not completly computer illiterate ;) one reason id like to run pro is that many companies are currently running it and since im in the business school i just would like to be used to it! However id like to keep the premium version on the laptop to have for whatever i choose mainly to upgrade it to windows 8 (15 bucks when buying new laptop) when it comes out to play around with!

I have a 750gb hard drive which after HP messes with it its considerably less but on the partition that is my main it has somewhere around 640 id like to leave maybe 100gb or so on that copy just for when i get 8 so i have plenty of space if i decided to go to 8 full time at some point! but like ive read hp has 4 sections and thats the limit, how is my best way to go about this guys?


Thanks so much!
 

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There isnt a new option, i already have 4 partitions on the drive, so do i shrink C and it will allow me to make a 5th? i thought i had read somewhere shrinking was dangerous or not reccomended but i am not sure!
 

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With a dual boot setup if you are asking about running both editions the second partition would need to be the best choice as well as how large. If the drive is a larger 500gb model then you shouldn't have to touch the present C but look at the size of the D(if D is used for that).

If you could post a snipping of the Disk Management tool with the windows expanded out to show all four partitions(only 4 primary type are possible or 3 primary with multiple extended) that will reveal the size of each. A bare minimum would be about 20gb while a good working size is 80gb and above depending on how programs you plan to run on the Pro install.

As far as 8 dual booting with 7 or Vista has shown to be problematic! With a dual boot across two drives booting into 7 lead to both versions(7 with 8 RP) freezing up upon reaching the desktop and trying to open anything. The two should be kept totally isolated as far as BCD stores and on separate drives entirely since it seems 8 is not dual boot friendly.
 

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Good info on 8 ill be checking in hoping the problem is resolved when i get my copy next year! and here is the snip i hope its the info you were wanting!
Also as far as size id like the pro to be my main version so id like to have at least 500gb dedicated to it, and 80 or so left for the home version!
Thanks
 

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Too bad the laptop didn't already come with the Pro and you were adding the Home Premium onto a new second primary. That would entail only shinking C down to some 160+gb rather trying to shrink it down roughly 500gb to run Pro on the new one.

You would need to clean up the present primary a bit to maintain it's integrity when going to make that large of a change. If you were simply custom installing both while keeping the factory partitions C would be removed and replace with two new primaries to set up a working dual boot rather then risky any potential problems during a large shrink.

With 670gb you have plenty of room to work with which is the plus side however. Just be sure you can recover C in case something should go bad on you when trying this out. Seeing a Home Premium recovery disk made up using the recovery disk creator tool provided or downloaded from the support site would allow you to restore the factory preinstall in case something should fail on you.

As far as 8 I won't be in any rush for it! I knew the next version to follow 7 wouldn't be seeing the anticipation 7 saw by any means but the drastic gui changes have left many wondering what will follow 8! The problems seen with the dual boot with 7 and the RP were not seen with the CP however showing 8 seemingly going backwards.

2000, XP, Vista, and 7 were all dual boot friendly for the most part while 8? has been a let down so far despite core improvements as far as hardware detection/setup and security wise. 7 retains the "user friendly" desktop gui however.
 

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You can insert the Pro Key into Anytime Upgrade to unlock the few extra Pro features without reinstall. But that leaves you with the HP bloatware which is the worst in the industry.

What I'd do instead is make your Recovery Disks, boot the Pro installer to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 except use the Pro Key instead of the key on COA sticker. Whether the keep the Recovery and Bootable diagnostics Tools partitions are dealt with in the tutorial. If you do then you'll want to convert C to Logical before adding another Logical parition for Win8.

Later shrink C (or make a partition for it now during install) to Dual Boot Win8. You don't need to have the qualifying Home Premium installed to use it as the qualifier for Upgrade version. The Win8 installer will see another OS on the HD to allow use of UPgrade version key during install.
 
gregrocker said:
You can insert the Pro Key into Anytime Upgrade to unlock the few extra Pro features without reinstall. But that leaves you with the HP bloatware which is the worst in the industry.

What I'd do instead is make your Recovery Disks, boot the Pro installer to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 except use the Pro Key instead of the key on COA sticker. Whether the keep the Recovery and Bootable diagnostics Tools partitions are dealt with in the tutorial. If you do then you'll want to convert C to Logical before adding another Logical parition for Win8.

Later shrink C (or make a partition for it now during install) to Dual Boot Win8. You don't need to have the qualifying Home Premium installed to use it as the qualifier for Upgrade version. The Win8 installer will see another OS on the HD to allow use of UPgrade version key during install.
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Cant do that with these copies of pro they are education keys got them while taking some networking classes, however they are full copies for our use they just wont allow the anytime upgrade has to be clean install with these!

Night Hawk said:
Too bad the laptop didn't already come with the Pro and you were adding the Home Premium onto a new second primary. That would entail only shinking C down to some 160+gb rather trying to shrink it down roughly 500gb to run Pro on the new one.

You would need to clean up the present primary a bit to maintain it's integrity when going to make that large of a change. If you were simply custom installing both while keeping the factory partitions C would be removed and replace with two new primaries to set up a working dual boot rather then risky any potential problems during a large shrink.

With 670gb you have plenty of room to work with which is the plus side however. Just be sure you can recover C in case something should go bad on you when trying this out. Seeing a Home Premium recovery disk made up using the recovery disk creator tool provided or downloaded from the support site would allow you to restore the factory preinstall in case something should fail on you.

As far as 8 I won't be in any rush for it! I knew the next version to follow 7 wouldn't be seeing the anticipation 7 saw by any means but the drastic gui changes have left many wondering what will follow 8! The problems seen with the dual boot with 7 and the RP were not seen with the CP however showing 8 seemingly going backwards.

2000, XP, Vista, and 7 were all dual boot friendly for the most part while 8? has been a let down so far despite core improvements as far as hardware detection/setup and security wise. 7 retains the "user friendly" desktop gui however.
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I havnt really messed with recovery disks before, generally i just hope things work haha, how would you say is the best route to go for doing what im wanting? am i going to have to delete another section either the hp tools or recovery so that i can have an extra part?
 

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Any retail version of a Win7 higher version should work when inserted in Anytime Upgrade.

This is not a mystery here as we deal with it regularly. There are no legal verisons of Win7 which we are unfamilar with.
 
Bare Foot Kid said:
Have a look at Method Two of this tutorial linked below, it's the perfect option.

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Looking at that option now!

gregrocker said:
Any retail version of a Win7 higher version should work when inserted in Anytime Upgrade.

This is not a mystery here as we deal with it regularly. There are no legal verisons of Win7 which we are unfamilar with.
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Well these are perfectly legal copies of windows 7 and they do not work with anytime upgrade i discussed with microsoft even they said they do not work with it, they are copies you get through being a member of MSDN academic alliance.
 

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gregrocker said:
Any retail key should unlock Anytime Upgrade. Save a Win7 backup image and try it.
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I am sorry but it does not work i contacted them on the issue i tried it 2 years ago when i got the keys, they are locked to allow a fresh install only and do not work with windows anytime upgrade. and besides the point im wanting to run both of these as well not just pro
 

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Well if you tried it then that's a different thing.

Almost any OEM and MS support will tell you you can't even use a retail key to Anytime Upgrade, but we do it here all the time.

I just wanted you to benefit from that.
 
I'm largely and passionately against any kind of multi-boot setups, but most definitely when it is the same OS. There are very few, subtle, small differences between the two OSes. However, given your intentions, I have two other suggestions. Either install it as the only OS on the system, or virtualize it (so if you mess with group policy and screw something up, all you have to do is restore the VM file).
 

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I like the first option better as long as he makes up a factory recovery disk ahead of time in the event he later needs to revert back to the HP edition. If the laptop is too new I wouldn't advise removing the factory partitions while those can still be dumped in order to recover the additional drive space as long as you had a HP dvd to be able to put the Home Premium back on by itself.

Here on an older Vista laptop first the entire drive was nuked and then replaced twice still using the OEM key. If you have an extra drive in an external enclosure creating a full image backup of the drive would be a smart move in case of any mishap.

As for differences between the Pro and Home Premium editions I would simply replace the HP with Pro which supports things like the XP Mode and Dynamic disks while dual booting is still possible between the two editions. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/14422-compare-windows-7-editions.html

The best option however would be simply replacing one for the better provided you make up the recovery disk set while everything is still intact. Or you can borrow a Home Premium disk if later need to transfer the Pro to a new machine since you have a retail disk and still have the laptop with an OS.
 

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Night Hawk said:
I like the first option better as long as he makes up a factory recovery disk ahead of time in the event he later needs to revert back to the HP edition. If the laptop is too new I wouldn't advise removing the factory partitions while those can still be dumped in order to recover the additional drive space as long as you had a HP dvd to be able to put the Home Premium back on by itself.

Here on an older Vista laptop first the entire drive was nuked and then replaced twice still using the OEM key. If you have an extra drive in an external enclosure creating a full image backup of the drive would be a smart move in case of any mishap.

As for differences between the Pro and Home Premium editions I would simply replace the HP with Pro which supports things like the XP Mode and Dynamic disks while dual booting is still possible between the two editions. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/14422-compare-windows-7-editions.html

The best option however would be simply replacing one for the better provided you make up the recovery disk set while everything is still intact. Or you can borrow a Home Premium disk if later need to transfer the Pro to a new machine since you have a retail disk and still have the laptop with an OS.
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Im starting to think maybe its just better to replace with pro completly, as far as being new this thing is only a few days out of the box, brand new, i know doing a clean install is usually recommended to get all the factory crap off of here, i can always get the drivers and any programs back that i might use such as simplepass for the fingerprint reader it has, but like you said for new i should leave the hp tools and recovery partitiion i dont mind leaving them the small space they take up doesnt bother me with this big of a drive! What is the best way to make the recovery disks AND KNOW that they work? i mean just incase i want to make sure that before i wipe out whats on here that i can put it back if need be, and i can just worry about playing with 8 later on maybe shrinking the drive later on like talked about before, whats the best way to go about all of this i guess just making sure that things go without a major problem!

Thanks guys!!
 

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gregrocker said:
Newer model HP's will still run Recovery after reinstall to C, so if you also make Recovery disks you'll have two methods for a path back. I would run Diagnostics from boot to make sure it runs first.

Then follow these steps to get a perfect Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.
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Okay so i see that im only allowed one shot at making the disks haha thats always nice to know, ill be doing that later today, and by leaving the recovery parition lets say worst case my disks failed and so did pro or something happened and i want the factory set, how would i get it from the recovery partition? And also as far as actually doing this the best way im assuming is to boot from my pro disk which is a ISO i burned, format C and then install pro there? should i do anything else?

Thanks!
 

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Everything you need is in Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7 including the Best Practices to get a perfect install based on helping with countless thousands of successful reinstalls here.

Your best Recovery will always be that of your customized setup once it's running best, using Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup. You can make one both before and after your reinstall. Many tech enthusiasts won't bother with the bloated factory recovery which is worst on HP's.

HP Recov DIsks - make another set
 
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