How many are going back to Vista or XP?

While boot up and shutdown times seem to be about the same I have noticed desktop operations to be a little faster in Windows 7 v/s Vista or XP. That's about the extent of my satisfaction so far. Just about everything else has been an exercise in frustration for me. This is really starting to piss me off. Win 7 was supposed to be the next big thing in OS and easier for all of us "normal people". For me as a NON GEEK most anything that I would want to try in this new product either doesn't work without major tweaking, sucks massively or requires buying new hardware to make it work. Based on previous XP graphic card performance Windows 7 is considerably worse now. Precious few working drivers for ANY hardware is available yet. After several hours I finally got one of my printers to work.

I'm going to give it another two weeks or so and hope for a much needed SP1. After that I'll probably just go back to XP and Ubuntu. I'm so glad I pre-ordered 7 and only paid $50.00. If I had paid the full pop $120.00 I probably would have eaten a bullet by now....

Joe

He probably did a upgrade install and something malfunctioned. Now it runs like crap.

This is the reason you should always do a full clean install to avoid all this.

Those of us that have love windows 7.

Sorry Tubojoe. Maybe you'll know better next time.

For me as a NON GEEK most anything that I would want to try in this new product either doesn't work without major tweaking, sucks massively or requires buying new hardware to make it work.

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Specifics????

joel406 said:

This is the reason you should always do a full clean install to avoid all this.
Sorry Tubojoe. Maybe you'll know better next time.

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Going from XP a clean install is the only option. As I said I'm a NON GEEK. Why should I have to know better with what is being touted as a user friendly OS?

Joe

While I agree that there are a lot of problems with gaming on W7, I figure most of them will be sorted out fairly quickly. I was a die-hard XPer (totally skipped Vista), but after taking the time to LEARN W7 I can see lots of improvements overall. I doubt I will ever go back. I will make W7 work for me. Sooner or later all support for XP will disappear (and with a fairly successful launch of W7 I predict that support will drop sooner).

It was the same when XP was the new OS (people said it looked good but was hard to use),XP set a standard,Vista didnt lol but now i think windows 7 has aswell,personally i really really like it once you get used to it.

One point though,they might have thought ahead with drivers,that is the 3rd party programs devolpers themselves to coincide there new drivers with the release of win7,but..my ATI and Realteck are running perfect,so i cant really complain.

Also you have to remember XP is 10 years old,tech was easier then,but as the world went forward technology wise Windows has to keep up (internet,virus's,HD) . Win7 came with most of this ,where as XP did not.
thats how i see it anyway

But on another point,your a self described non-geek,so setting up a dual boot would seem complicated,most non-geeks usally do get a PC store to do all this for them,im not having a go,just saying what usally happens here ,they bring it back and get it fixed,and they dont touch windows files etc

It seems to be its only when people try to use old software with new software/hardware/OS you have problems,if you think about it, a 10 year old car of the same make and model you will rarely find a part that is exchange-able,you usally buy new parts.
At least windows 7 gives you the option to run a program designed for a 10 year old program on it.


Sorry for the long post,got carried away

Two people, same operating system, but two different opinions. True, 7 is not the perfect OS, but definately better than Vista. Works just as well or a bit better than Vista, but has many nice (some just cutsey, but fun) and one awesome one in particular. I just love the ability to make a system image. In fact I used it once already. Task scheduler worked right the first time and then it just malfunctioned, a few minutes later, with an image just a day old, I was back in business (this was my only less than perfect experience to date.) How about the abilty to look at two screens side by side and the updated task bar. Yes, its just Vista the way it should have been, but its better, so why would I go back. I have no experience with XP so I can't comment. Unlike the earlier comments, I think that it 50 bucks very well spent.

I cant imagine going back to XP. I would use Vista, but XP is a closed chapter for me. Im so satisfied and happy using 7. Its like the Vista experience with improved functionality and performance.

Vista took some getting used to. I struggled with it for a while at first due to all the changes. But going from Vista to 7 was a breeze. I would imagine from XP to 7 would be a real shock. Give it some time. It will grow on you in a good way.

BTW Turbojoe... Hello from Queen Creek!

Disk4mat said:

But going from Vista to 7 was a breeze. I would imagine from XP to 7 would be a real shock. Give it some time. It will grow on you in a good way.

BTW Turbojoe... Hello from Queen Creek!

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I had XP on my desktop before the Win7 install and still have Vista on my laptop. No big problems with use of either of them. Win 7 isn't a big shock for me to use other than the supposedly cool things like Media Center won't work with Microsoft approved hardware. Video performance is way below par. Boot and shutdown times are the same or worse than XP or Vista. Admittedly I don't have a cutting edge $3000.00 system but it passes the Microsoft Windows 7 test.

At the risk of sounding like a whiner, dammit I just want the OS to do what it is advertised to do.

Joe

Disk4mat said:

BTW Turbojoe... Hello from Queen Creek!

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Only a few miles away. Don't you just love these cooler temps we're FINALLY seeing!

Joe

Turbojoe said:

Disk4mat said:

But going from Vista to 7 was a breeze. I would imagine from XP to 7 would be a real shock. Give it some time. It will grow on you in a good way.

BTW Turbojoe... Hello from Queen Creek!

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I had XP on my desktop before the Win7 install and still have Vista on my laptop. No big problems with use of either of them. Win 7 isn't a big shock for me to use other than the supposedly cool things like Media Center won't work with Microsoft approved hardware. Video performance is way below par. Boot and shutdown times are the same or worse than XP or Vista. Admittedly I don't have a cutting edge $3000.00 system but it passes the Microsoft Windows 7 test.

At the risk of sounding like a whiner, dammit I just want the OS to do what it is advertised to do.

Joe

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My system cost me €800 (pretty basic),you can see my specs in the tab to the bottom left of my post.It came with a 20" Monitor and free Kaspersky 2010.

And it runs quicker Win7 64bit Ultimate quicker than it ran Vista 64bit home premium.

You know, I have to say this.

I use to dread everything to do with computers, until I started learning how to do things on my own. Yes it does suck when you have to find workarounds to things that you shouldn't have to, but it teaches us things. We should not just skip it and go back to old technology, we should embrace it and learn, move on, and enjoy it.

I see a lot of people complaining about things, such as some things not working without a few tweaks/workarounds, or some things just not the way they want it.

All I have to say is, if you don't like learning, then why are you using a PC? Thats part of using a PC. Get over it.

Turbojoe said:

this new product either doesn't work without major tweaking, sucks massively or requires buying new hardware to make it work. Based on previous XP graphic card performance Windows 7 is considerably worse now. Precious few working drivers for ANY hardware is available yet.

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I'm sorry to hear of you're troubles and can fully understand your frustration Joe, but sometimes you have accept the fact that you can't put a super-charger on a Model-T Ford.

Turbojoe said:

Win 7 was supposed to be the next big thing in OS and easier for all of us "normal people". For me as a NON GEEK most anything that I would want to try in this new product either doesn't work without major tweaking, sucks massively or requires buying new hardware to make it work.

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Just be happy that you elected to skip Windows Vista. Unfortunately, as times change and operating systems evolve...some of the older hardware is left behind and has to be replaced.

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Precious few working drivers for ANY hardware is available yet. After several hours I finally got one of my printers to work.

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I've installed on 2 computers at home, 3 workstations at work and 1 laptop and I've pretty much had 90% of the hardware work right out of the box...with no 3rd party drivers needed. The only things I actually loaded drivers for were video card and webcam. My printer is networked...so i just connected to my print server and it hooked right up.

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I'm going to give it another two weeks or so and hope for a much needed SP1.

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I think with the relative stability and overwhelming response to Windows 7 thus far....it's going to be some time before we see an SP1. Many of us have already been running Windows 7 for 6 months or more with the Betas and Release Candidate.

After that I'll probably just go back to XP and Ubuntu. I'm so glad I pre-ordered 7 and only paid $50.00. If I had paid the full pop $120.00 I probably would have eaten a bullet by now....

The retail version of Windows 7 has been a much better experience for me than the beta was. I have only had it installed for about 48 hours but it has been problem free thus far, the sleep mode even works the way it should. I think it`s a keeper.

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My system cost me €800 (pretty basic),you can see my specs in the tab to the bottom left of my post.It came with a 20" Monitor and free Kaspersky 2010.

And it runs quicker Win7 64bit Ultimate quicker than it ran Vista 64bit home premium.[/QUOTE]

My specs are in my online list as well.

Quicker isn't the only issue for me. I just want the features that I bought the new OS for to work for me without several of hours of downloads, updates, upgrades, setup, workarounds and frustration.

Please try to envision those of us that don't sit in front of a computer all day and make our living repairing what should have been right in the first place. We like to check our e-mail, maybe play a game or two and watch or save a future TV program with our Windows 7 compatible USB TV tuner. Not a lot to ask really. Unless it's Microsoft, then you go through hell on earth trying to get anything to operate as advertised.


Joe

Turbojoe said:

My specs are in my online list as well.

Quicker isn't the only issue for me. I just want the features that I bought the new OS for to work for me without several of hours of downloads, updates, upgrades, setup, workarounds and frustration.

Please try to envision those of us that don't sit in front of a computer all day and make our living repairing what should have been right in the first place. We like to check our e-mail, maybe play a game or two and watch or save a future TV program with our Windows 7 compatible USB TV tuner. Not a lot to ask really. Unless it's Microsoft, then you go through hell on earth trying to get anything to operate as advertised.


Joe

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Not everything can work for everyone, especially since theres such a wide variety of hardware. Perhaps you should keep that in mind.

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Turbojoe said:

My specs are in my online list as well.

Quicker isn't the only issue for me. I just want the features that I bought the new OS for to work for me without several of hours of downloads, updates, upgrades, setup, workarounds and frustration.

Please try to envision those of us that don't sit in front of a computer all day and make our living repairing what should have been right in the first place. We like to check our e-mail, maybe play a game or two and watch or save a future TV program with our Windows 7 compatible USB TV tuner. Not a lot to ask really. Unless it's Microsoft, then you go through hell on earth trying to get anything to operate as advertised.


Joe

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Not everything can work for everyone, especially since theres such a wide variety of hardware. Perhaps you should keep that in mind.

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Then what OS do you suggest?

Joe

Turbojoe said:

DarkNovaGamer said:

Turbojoe said:

My specs are in my online list as well.

Quicker isn't the only issue for me. I just want the features that I bought the new OS for to work for me without several of hours of downloads, updates, upgrades, setup, workarounds and frustration.

Please try to envision those of us that don't sit in front of a computer all day and make our living repairing what should have been right in the first place. We like to check our e-mail, maybe play a game or two and watch or save a future TV program with our Windows 7 compatible USB TV tuner. Not a lot to ask really. Unless it's Microsoft, then you go through hell on earth trying to get anything to operate as advertised.


Joe

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Not everything can work for everyone, especially since theres such a wide variety of hardware. Perhaps you should keep that in mind.

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Then what OS do you suggest?

Joe

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None, thats entirely up to you. I am just being realistic, if people want Microsoft to make the OS lighter, quicker, more responsive, they cannot keep all the 10-year-old drivers in the OS otherwise it will turn into a 25-30gb install.

Turbojoe said:

Then what OS do you suggest?

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I cannot actually answer that question. I have to keep multiple computers in the house with different OS's on it to meet my needs.

Linux is wonderful, but can be a challenge. Mac's are alright, but hardware is so limited and is so expensive. Windows is likely the most well rounded, but it sometimes comes at a cost.