XP on Partition: Toshiba Satellite

Dabrowski · Jul 10, 2010

Hi, I would like to install XP on a new 7 computer on a partition. I've created a partition, labeled it F: (F Disk), and tried to boot from my XP installation CD. After a few minutes of configuring, it says there was an error, etc. Run chkdsk /F and a bit more, but it looks like unimportant information.

It's a new computer, so I don't think there's a problem with the disk, but what else could be doing this?

Or is there something physically different in a hard disk that runs 7 versus one that runs XP and XP can't install on it?

Thanks.

Bare Foot Kid · Jul 10, 2010

Hello Dabrowski, welcome to Seven Forums!

Just so you'll know you'll have to have either a Windows 7 install disk or a repair disk to get Windows 7 booting again if you install XP second after W 7 is installed.

Dabrowski · Jul 10, 2010

Thanks for the heads up. I was trying to make a restore disk for 7 because they don't come with it (money grab), but I hadn't gotten to it yet. I'll do that.

Why is that so? Does XP and 7 operate that differently that they conflict with each other? Is that why XP won't install?

theog · Jul 10, 2010

When you install Win XP, the boot files for Windows 7 messed up.

Have a read of those tutorials:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html?ltr=D
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/66010-sata-drivers-load-windows-xp-setup-dual-boot.html
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/72185-sata-drivers-slipstream-into-windows-xp-cd.html

Use EasyBCD 2.0 in Win 7 & Win XP.
EasyBCD 2.0 Beta Builds - The NeoSmart Forums

A bit more reading.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2676-bcdedit-how-use.html?ltr=B
System Restore Points - Stop XP Dual Boot Delete - Vista Forums

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/681-startup-repair.html?ltr=S
Note: You may need to do startup repair 3 to 4 times.

gregrocker · Jul 10, 2010

Use Method Two in this tutorial: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html

Since XP will take over the bootloader at install, you need to add Win7 to a Dual Boot menu using EasyBCD 2.0 which theog links above. It requires Net Framework 2.0 to run in XP which is linked in the Dual Boot tutorial.

If Easy won't work from XP, you'll need to Start Win7 to install Easy and run from there to Add XP. To do this you'll need a http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2083-system-repair-disc-create.html to modify Win7 http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/71432-partition-mark-active.html from the Command Line, then run http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/681-startup-repair.html?ltr=S up to 3 separate times with reboots to start WIn7.

As to why your XP installer won't run: Try deleting the XP partition you made from Win7 as XP partition table is slightly different. Use the XP CD to create and format the partition in the space you made. If it still won't run, you'll need to slipstream the SATA drivers using theog's tutorial above, if you can't insert them at F6 prompt during driver-loading phase due to not having a floppy drive from the XP era.

As Dr. Who explains below: having OS's on separate HD's booted via BIOS is a much cleaner method of dual- or multi-booting as the drives remain independent. However you can indeed dual boot XP-Win7 on the same HD using tutorial above.

DrWho · Jul 10, 2010

Apparently, the NTFS drive structure for XP is different than the one for Win-7 or Vista.

Somewhere I heard that if you want to run both OS's, XP has to be the first one installed on the HD.

A much simpler way to run multiple OS's is to have each one on a different Hard Drive.

I'm running W7 and two other OS's right now, with each one and it's associated storage partition on a separate hard drive.

I simply select which drive to boot to by pressing F11 during the first few seconds of boot up, to get my Boot Menu from the Bios.

The different OS's can never conflict with one another because they are on different hard drives. I can either unplug one drive or reformat it and load something else, without ever interfering with any other OS.

For us guys who like to play around with different OS's, it's really the best way to fly!

Think about it......

Doc

theog · Jul 10, 2010

DrWho said:
Apparently, the NTFS drive structure for XP is different than the one for Win-7 or Vista.

Somewhere I heard that if you want to run both OS's, XP has to be the first one installed on the HD.

A much simpler way to run multiple OS's is to have each one on a different Hard Drive.

I'm running W7 and two other OS's right now, with each one and it's associated storage partition on a separate hard drive.

I simply select which drive to boot to by pressing F11 during the first few seconds of boot up, to get my Boot Menu from the Bios.

The different OS's can never conflict with one another because they are on different hard drives. I can either unplug one drive or reformat it and load something else, without ever interfering with any other OS.

For us guys who like to play around with different OS's, it's really the best way to fly!

Think about it......

Doc

May be you would like to have read.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html?ltr=D

Bare Foot Kid · Jul 10, 2010

XP does not have to be the first one installed, I've done a few of these myself.

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Dabrowski · Jul 10, 2010

Maybe a stupid question: Can you get two HDs into a laptop? Anyway, I can't. I'll consider all of that great information and I'll read the resources.

Thanks.

Bare Foot Kid · Jul 10, 2010

Do post back to keep us informed on what you decide.

severedsolo · Jul 10, 2010

Dabrowski said:
Maybe a stupid question: Can you get two HDs into a laptop? Anyway, I can't. I'll consider all of that great information and I'll read the resources.

Thanks.

Technically? Yes if the motherboard has enough Sata/IDE ports. Practically? probably not (where would it go? not alot of room in a laptop) Most Lappys that I've seen come with 2 partitions preinstalled (one for OS one for data) How many people actually use the Data partition except as an "overflow" I dont know though

theog · Jul 10, 2010

Hopefuly 3 partitions,Recovery, OS, & Data.
Before you do your dual boot, make the Recovery disks.

Dabrowski · Jul 12, 2010

I tried to create a 7 restore disc and I got an unspecified error near the end. Just love it.

Dabrowski · Jul 13, 2010

I'm trying to take this one step at a time.

First, I need to make sure I have a DVD that's writable. I put a DVD in the drive and it says it needs to be formatted. Does that indicate blank, not blank, or maybe somewhere in the middle when someone tried to write something to it but never finalized it?

In any case, it prompts me to format the media, but the format fails.

When you put a blank DVD-R in a drive, it doesn't need to format it, does it?

[EDIT]

I just tried to burn a chosen folder to a disc and it failed, so I clicked a link for help. It got me to a Windows Help and Support page "Which CD/DVD format should I use?"

That had a table with several configurations and an explanation of Live File System, etc.

Do Vista and 7 not use NTFS? Do I need to get newer DVDs? Shouldn't I be able to burn a DVD-R right out of the box?

Office Depot offered to create a restore disc for $30 when I bought the computer. Now I know why.

And does creating a restore disc effectively give you the installable OS on disc, or is it somehow tied to only repairing or restoring that specific installation or on that particular laptop?

Dabrowski · Jul 13, 2010

This is the error I get when I just try to create a repair disc.

system repair disc could not be created unspecified error (0x80004005)

Googled it, but didn't have a lot of time right now to read everything. I'll get back to it later tonight.

Bare Foot Kid · Jul 13, 2010

Hello.

The disk only includes repair files, it's not able to do an install, do you have any other PC, a friends maybe, that you can prepare the disk on?
I had a brief search for the error but found nothing definitive, perhaps someone else will have better info on it.

Dabrowski · Jul 14, 2010

So I'm trying to create a system image to burn to disc. But it says to create the image, I need 31Gb. The OS isn't 30Gb, is it? I did put some programs on, but I restored it back to factory settings.

severedsolo · Jul 14, 2010

30GB sounds about right to me,

Dabrowski · Jul 14, 2010

So we used to buy a computer with XP on it and it came with a disc to reinstall if the need ever arises. Now we have 7 that doesn't come with a disc and we have to burn our own to the tune of 6 DVDs?

severedsolo · Jul 14, 2010

The Windows disk is not 30GB the uncompressed files are 30GB (which is what the image is) the best way to store a system image is on an external Hard drive

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