Can I upgrade?

Tbrown37 · Jul 18, 2010

I currently have an Ibuypower computer and wanted to know if the PSU would be able to handle the upgrades I had in mind.

Right now the system has; a AMD AD775ZWCGHBOX Athlon 64 X2 7750 Black Edition 2.70 GHz 1800 MHz AM2+ 1MB Desktop Processor Retail at ZipZoomfly AMD 7750BE @ 2.7

4g 2x 2GB DDR2 Corsair pc6400 Newegg.com - CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model VS4GBKIT800D2 G

Newegg.com - ZOTAC ZT-95TEK2M-FSL GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 9500GT 1GB

MSI Global – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more K9N6PGM2 Mobo

I was thinking about putting in a

Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N987-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 512MB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

and

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

My only concern is I don't think my PSU has a 6 pin connector for the 9800 GT.

What to do, friends? Thanks for any help

Petey7 · Jul 18, 2010

It looks like you messed up your URL tags. Type [ /url ] (minus) the spaces after the words you want to contain the link.

You did not list your PSU. The model number or at least the wattage will need to be known before any advice can be properly given.

Correction. I can give advice about the CPU you picked out. That CPU does not match the socket on your mobo. No new mobo, no new CPU. Sorry. Your current mobo has a AM2 socket, the processor you want requires a AM3.

bobkn · Jul 18, 2010

MSI has a CPU support list for your motherboard:

MSI USA – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

There are no "Deneb" CPUs on it, so the Phenom II X4 955 isn't supported.

As regard the 9800GT, it comes with a Molex-to-PCI-E power adapter, so you may be able to support it if your PSU otherwise meets the specs. eVGA lists them:

EVGA | Products 9 Series Family&sw=

(350W, minimum of 24A at +12V. I'm not sure why the specs at Newegg are slightly higher.)

I'm not sure that the 9800GT gives the best price/performance at the moment, but it appears to be better than some newer cards (GT240). A Radeon HD4850 would probably give better performance, but it's a bit more expensive, and may need a heftier PSU (even though it , too, uses a single PCI-E 6 pin auxiliary power connector).

Tbrown37 · Jul 18, 2010

All the links work just fine for me I just tried them again myself. The PSU is some off brand that says 450 watts and max 480 watts.

Now i'm very confused MSI Global – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=prodcpusupport&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1472#menu

Same motherboard? But different CPU supports?

Petey7 · Jul 18, 2010

My mistake. It looked like you had written words after the link that were supposed to contain the link itself.

Some times those list of supported hard ware can be wrong. It's not hard to see that the CPU you selected requires a AM3 socket, while your board is a AM2/AM2+. Different sockets means that the new CPU probably would't even fit.

bobkn · Jul 18, 2010

Tbrown37 said:
All the links work just fine for me I just tried them again myself. The PSU is some off brand that says 450 watts and max 480 watts.

Now i'm very confused MSI Global – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

MSI USA – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

Same motherboard? But different CPU supports?

Interesting. The link I gave was to the US site, while yours is to the Global (English) site. I guess the US site hasn't been updated for a while. Looks like you're OK with the 955, if you install BIOS 9.9.

I'm happy to have been mistaken.

Tbrown37 · Jul 18, 2010

Now I have one of you saying it will work and the other saying it won't. Help please! Haha.

Also regarding the graphics card. So with a 450 watt PSU I can support it?

Kipper · Jul 18, 2010

According to this list of supported processors you are out of luck with that MB.

MSI USA – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

Tbrown37 · Jul 18, 2010

In this link;
MSI USA – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

It doesn't even have the athlon 7750 BE that I am currently using so I do believe that to be outdated. As bobkn was saying

Tbrown37 · Jul 19, 2010

Friendly little bump. Haven't got any other answers from other websites yet please help. My psu's +12 .v rating min is 1.0a and 16a max. Recommended gpu upgrade anyone?

Petey7 · Jul 19, 2010

I decided to do some checking in case I might be wrong, which is definitely possible on most occasions. In this case, I am left very confused AM3 sockets have 941 contacts, yet the chips use 938 pins. People have gotten AM3 chips to work in the AM2 sockets (940 contacts). I assumed the number of contacts=number of pins. Some research shows that your board can use the AM3 chip, but will more than likely require a bios update specifically for using AM3 chips. To make sure this update is available, look at the manufacturers website for it.

bobkn · Jul 19, 2010

Kipper said:
According to this list of supported processors you are out of luck with that MB.

MSI USA – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

Read the whole thread, if you please. The Global site has newer information:

MSI Global – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

I have nothing much to add, but the Wikipedia entry suggests that AM3 CPUs can work in AM2+ mainboard (BIOS permitting). Apparently the onboard memory controller is also compatible with DDR2.

As regards a "450W" PSU that can deliver a maximum of 16A on the +12V rail, is there another rail in there somewhere? 16A is lousy for a 450W supply. eVGA recommends a 350W supply with a minimum of 24A for the card.

Here's what looks like a good one, cheapish:

Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

(Corsair 400W, 30A at +12V, one PCI-E 6 pin power connector). It doesn't give a lot of room for expansion, but for $32 ($20 rebate required to get to that, unfortunately) it's first rate.

Tbrown37 · Jul 20, 2010

Thank you all so much for your help so far. Tonight to make it easier for you all to help me out I went in my computer and looked up the exact PSU I have in this machine and WOW did I get ripped off from newegg when I bought this. Anyway here is the PSU in my machine.

Customer Reviews Of LOGISYS Computer PS480D2 480W ATX12V Power Supply

From what it looks like i'm lucky this thing has ran successfully for the past 8 months.

Petey7 · Jul 20, 2010

I don't see what the problem is. You got a really cheap 480w, 28amp PSU, and some people have had it fail. This is normal for any piece of hardware and I have seen few items on newegg that have more than 4 eggs/stars overall. If you read some of the higher rated reviews, you see that plenty of people have had it work as expected for well over a year with no issues.

Tbrown37 · Jul 20, 2010

Yeah I get what you're saying that no more what company or how expensive hardware is it there's always going to be errors made during manufacturing. Things happen, unseen variables etc... but more over to the point. Will I be able to upgrade my GPU with that PSU?

Petey7 · Jul 20, 2010

Depends on the card. Some require 400 watt, some require 500 watt. Look at what each card requires before purchasing.

bobkn · Jul 20, 2010

Tbrown37 said:
Yeah I get what you're saying that no more what company or how expensive hardware is it there's always going to be errors made during manufacturing. Things happen, unseen variables etc... but more over to the point. Will I be able to upgrade my GPU with that PSU?

It might work.However, eVGA recommends at least 24A on the +12V rail, though, and you have 16.

Feeling lucky?

Tbrown37 · Jul 21, 2010

Nope not feeling lucky at all it's my last night before I move. My other computers 7950 GT is about to burn out it's running at 208F under no load lol. Anyway I wasn't asking if the 240 GT would work with the logysis PSU I have. But I was referring to; Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

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