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Windows 7: Panda wants Ballot Screen for Windows Security Software


09 Nov 2010   #41
mikedl

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
From what I understand MS got in trouble with IE because it came installed with Windows and could not be removed. In this case MSE does not come installed and you have to ask for it with TWO choices. First you have to turn on Microsoft Updates within Windows Updates in order for it to be offered and then you have to accept the install.

Here is the Microsoft Update selection which is turned off by default.

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As you can see by the language you are asking for the information and it is not being forced to you.

Jim
Today.

Tomorrow?

Discounting the arguments presented by Panda and Trend Micro only shows the desire to not understand the potential ramifications regarding this current tactic.

Oh, and Tews, I wear no tin foil hat.


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09 Nov 2010   #42
LiquidSnak

W7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Klaw117 View Post
What the hell...are these people high or something? Since when does offering MSE through Windows Update come even close to bundling? The offer to install it is optional and you don't even see the offer by default. What the hell are these guys smoking?
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10 Nov 2010   #43
jp07764

Windows 7 64-bit
 
 

I feel it is not being forced on you either.
When you buy a new computer you get
the antivirus program in it already.
Most people will use that.
So what is all the upraor about.

Jimmy
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10 Nov 2010   #44
Kari

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
 
 

Here in Europe we tell jokes about Americans suing anything and everything, because it's possible. A customer of McDonalds' order coffee, drinks it fast, burns his mouth and sues McDonalds for not telling clear enough that the hot coffee is hot, and now the cups must have a warning printed on the side: "Caution! The hot beverage in this cup is hot". Or an older lady puts her pudel in microwave after a walk on a rainy day to dry the poor dog, and after cremating the pet sues the manufacturer of that microwave because manual didn't tell drying wet pets is not allowed.

But even if these people can sue and win, it still seems a bit far fetched to think that a lawsuit based on a theory that because it is now possible for consumers after voluntary opting for updates to choose to install a free product, Microsoft might or might not use this method in the future to offer other products or services, which might or might not be free.

Now I've seen it all!

Kari
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10 Nov 2010   #45
Phone Man

Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64bit, Windows 7 HP 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Here in Europe we tell jokes about Americans suing anything and everything, because it's possible. A customer of McDonalds' order coffee, drinks it fast, burns his mouth and sues McDonalds for not telling clear enough that the hot coffee is hot, and now the cups must have a warning printed on the side: "Caution! The hot beverage in this cup is hot". Or an older lady puts her pudel in microwave after a walk on a rainy day to dry the poor dog, and after cremating the pet sues the manufacturer of that microwave because manual didn't tell drying wet pets is not allowed.

But even if these people can sue and win, it still seems a bit far fetched to think that a lawsuit based on a theory that because it is now possible for consumers after voluntary opting for updates to choose to install a free product, Microsoft might or might not use this method in the future to offer other products or services, which might or might not be free.

Now I've seen it all!

Kari
But Kari, they are not suing in America. They are thinking about going to the EU to complain just like Opera did when they complained to the EU about IE. And it is the EU that requires the Browser Ballot which we do not have here in the Colonies.

Jim
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10 Nov 2010   #46
yowanvista

Windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Woz View Post
Next thing you know, cable and sat providers will complain that they can't compete with free-over-the-air broadcasts, so televisions will have to present options when they are turned on.

In my opinion, 9 out of 10 people running without security software won't opt to buy the software, so what is Panda really missing out on? Besides, MSE will only install on WGA verified systems. Panda can have all the pirated installs of Windows.
MSE can be installed on non genuine OS
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10 Nov 2010   #47
Dwarf

Windows 8.1 Pro RTM x64
 
 

Will Panda be going after the big manufacturers such as Dell and HP who tend to bundle a trial version of an AV (typically Norton/MacAfee) on their systems?
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10 Nov 2010   #48
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dwarf View Post
Will Panda be going after the big manufacturers such as Dell and HP who tend to bundle a trial version of an AV (typically Norton/MacAfee) on their systems?
Perhaps they should offer a Linux distro, or a black harddrive when purchasing to encourage others to use different OSes?

~Lordbob
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10 Nov 2010   #49
Dwarf

Windows 8.1 Pro RTM x64
 
 

At the end of the day, it probably isn't going to make much difference, if any at all. Most people have tried a few AV products, found one that they like and feel comfortable with using and have used it ever since.

As for a ballot screen, MS already provides one:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Furthermore, Microsoft already has a ballet screen that comes up in Security Center when you do not have an antivirus: (By click the button "Find a program online") Windows 7: Consumer security software providers Even Panda Security is on it!
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10 Nov 2010   #50
Trucidation

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mikedl View Post
Today.

Tomorrow?

Discounting the arguments presented by Panda and Trend Micro only shows the desire to not understand the potential ramifications regarding this current tactic.
Uh. Nobody was discounting the arguments, we were having a chuckle at their overreactions. Instead of stooping to take a cheap shot at MS, they could actually do something positive like, I don't know, actually marketing their products?

The one who brought up antitrust laws first in this thread was you. All you have to back it up is assertions that MS has the potential for breaching them. Potential. They haven't even actually breached anything. Nobody said anything about the a/v vendors' concerns being false.

Right here in southeast asia, Kaspersky has gone on a huge marketing blitz. The primary IT malls have been draped with huge Kaspersky banners adorned with the face of a huge celebrity: Jackie Chan. Any Joe Random who has even gone anywhere near these malls can not fail to notice the banners. A slightly older consumer may even recall Trend Micro or McAfee, two big names used in many corporate environments. Then say "free a/v" in forums and people would tell you Avira, Avast!, AVG, etc. MSE, what MSE?

Panda should take a leaf from Kaspersky and market better instead of taking a cheap shot at MS, and we called them out on it. Don't like it? Then tell Panda to stop being asses.
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