| Windows 7: Microsoft Security Essentials ranked second last in AV-Test's |
16 May 2011
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| | Win 7 64 premium 121 posts |
I personally dont think spywareguard or spywareblaster are needed anymore as most free a/v sollutions will do a better job at protecting you. | My System Specs |
| OS Win 7 64 premium Other Info 7 fw, LUA, UAC on high, IE-9 w/ smartscreen on, SANDBOXIE |
16 May 2011
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| | Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit 6,487 posts Grafton,IL |

Quote: Originally Posted by I be he I personally dont think spywareguard or spywareblaster are needed anymore as most free a/v sollutions will do a better job at protecting you.  They are additions to the AV not a replacement.
Active X's can be installed many ways including Flash player. You Tube, Flash games even Flash advertisements can install them.
If you can see the Flash playing you are possibly getting an Active X installed. Some good or neutral and some bad.
Then we can talk JAVA which is full of internal security holes all by itself.
Of course the best Java security is not install it on your system. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Hopalong/ Godzilla OS Windows7 Pro 64bit SP-1; Windows XP Pro 32bit CPU Intel Core i7-870 Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Motherboard ASUS P7P55D-E PRO Memory 8GB@1400MHz Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1600 4x2GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 Sound Card VIA Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Asus VS248H-P 24"; Samsung SyncMaster 941BW 19"ws Screen Resolution 1920x1080; 1440x900 Keyboard Logitech K-320 Mouse Kensington PSU COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W Modular Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Cooling Scythe "Mugen-2 Rev.B" (2 ScytheKaze-Jyuni PWM fans) Hard Drives Samsung 830 120GB SSD
Intel 320 120GB SSD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Antivirus Avast Inernet Suite Browser IE 9 ; Chrome |
16 May 2011
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 7,139 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by A Guy Jacee, I long ago stopped using Spyware Guard, as the last update was 2004. How effective can it be in these days of 0 day exploits. Do you still think it is a worthwhile addition?
A Guy Spyware Guard still protects by... Browser Hijacking Protection7 This component will alert you to any known methods of Browser Hijacking that are occurring on your computer. These entail software that adds Browser Helper Objects or changes to settings in your Internet Explorer. When this occurs an alert will appear notifying the user and giving the user a chance to accept the changes or revert back to what they were previously. It does pop up and ask if you want to change or keep the old value | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Bruce ... somewhere in his 40's OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2400 MHz Motherboard INTEL/D975XBX2 Memory 4 GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 914v Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Mouse PSU Rocketfish 700 W Case G.Skill Gigabyte Chassis Hard Drives 2/500GB each ... ST3500630AS ATA Device.
One is not connected Internet Speed DSL Antivirus Avira Internet Security Browser IE 9 Other Info ATI HDMI Audio |
16 May 2011
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 32,101 posts Bay Area Peninsula |
This is true, I guess if you don't get alerted to same by any other protection it is worthwhile. I do remember the popups from SG. A Guy | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 CPU INTEL Core i5-750 Quad-Core 3.37GHz Motherboard ASUS P7P55D Memory KINGSTON 4GB (2 x 2GB) HyperX PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL8 Graphics Card MSI N240GT-MD1G/D5 GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster B2430H 24" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 PSU ANTEC TruePower New TP-550, 80 PLUS, 550W Case ANTEC Three Hundred Illusion Cooling COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus, 4 x 120mm 1 x 140mm Noctua's Hard Drives Intel X25M Gen2 80GB, SEAGATE 500GB Barracuda® 7200.12, SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 16MB cache Internet Speed 20 + Mbps Antivirus Avast Browser Opera |
16 May 2011
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| | Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit 5,681 posts In a house with a cat trying to kill me |
No matter what you install or are running, you have to realize it is physically impossible for any AV to catch everything all the time. Not only do viruses change their stripes with regularity, but there are new ones always being released. AV's can watch for certain behaviors, but this doesn't always guarantee they'll catch something if it's new.
A new virus is released into the wild on day 1. The virus must first be recognized for what it is and samples submitted to the AV companies for analysis. After analysis, they must write a definition to combat it. This can take anywhere from several hours to a couple days depending on the complexity of it. During this time, the new virus is spreading as fast as it can.
When the solution is found, it must be tested, streamlined to run on various systems and then deployed. This will also take time.
The best defense you have is to run what you feel comfortable with, keep your AV Defs up to date as well as any patches for software, and practice vigilance.
You know how your PC normally runs. Does it look like it's doing something/running a little bit out of the ordinary? Then it's time to investigate. Have a look at your running processes ( Process Explorer) or see if you can still access your RegEdit.
But just because all "appears well" doesn't always mean it is. Have a look at the workings once in a while and see if anything new has popped up, and if it has, why.
Use sense when surfing. You can have the best rated AV, but going to shady sites or trying to D/L cracks will bring on something that will eventually overwhelm even the best AV.
Remaining vigilant combined with common sense is your best defense for staying virus free, but it demands some of your time and attention to do so. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Hell oh Well OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz Memory Not much with my ADHD Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 Monitor(s) Displays I have one...It's bright. A 19 inch CRT actually. Keyboard It's 10 years old and amazingly still works Mouse Same deal with the mouse, 10 yrs old, if it ain't broke... Case Don't get on my case...man :D Cooling I have an Air Conditioner & Diet Pepsi Hard Drives 250 GB Main Drive, 2 - 1 TB Externals, various FD's. |
16 May 2011
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| | Windows 7 Professional 64 bit 235 posts Tennessee |
Not to unduly sing praises to it, but so far my testing of MSE has been positive. It has, on 3 occasions, caught and cleaned malware that symantec (twice) and avast (once) missed. In defense of avast it missed adware which some a/v overlooks anyway if there's no damaging component.
We could just as easily be arguing over engine oil and saying what I always told folks back when I "turned wrenches" for a living: Use a brand name and keep it changed regularly.
The biggest issue I run into when someone's computer gets infected is failure to update and other user errors, no matter what a/v they use. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Optiplex OS Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Memory 4096 |
16 May 2011
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| | Win 7 64 premium 121 posts |

Quote: Originally Posted by Hopalong X 
Quote: Originally Posted by I be he I personally dont think spywareguard or spywareblaster are needed anymore as most free a/v sollutions will do a better job at protecting you.  They are additions to the AV not a replacement.
Active X's can be installed many ways including Flash player. You Tube, Flash games even Flash advertisements can install them.
If you can see the Flash playing you are possibly getting an Active X installed. Some good or neutral and some bad.
Then we can talk JAVA which is full of internal security holes all by itself.
Of course the best Java security is not install it on your system.  True, i stand somewhat corrected. I wonder if IE9 with the screen filter on combined with UAC enabled would be secure enough. | My System Specs | | OS Win 7 64 premium Other Info 7 fw, LUA, UAC on high, IE-9 w/ smartscreen on, SANDBOXIE |
17 May 2011
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| | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE 6,804 posts Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker These tests are often skewed to the sponsors of the sites. I'll believe Consumer Reports but that's about it. CNET has banner ads for the same software they review, often on the same page.
The real test is where the bits hit the road and that is what we witness via the realtime traffic here.
The bloatware AV's cause nothing but trouble while missing major infections, while MSE and Avast5 solve most of the lardies' problems, let Windows 7 run completely unhindered, and rarely do we see reports that they have missed major infection.
MS defends it's OS as though it's company's survival depends upon it. It's first effort at an AV is as much of a home run as it's latest OS - well worth betting the company upon. If it were anything less (hasta la Vista) you would be hearing about it here. While your logic is sound, I do not believe that it applies in this case. As noted in the screenshot, AV-Test.org is independent and that fact alone tends to give them credibility.
I can't say that the AV that I use is the best, but I feel more comfortable with it than MSE. I believe that the primary reason that mamy people use MSE is just because of it's usability, but then one would wonder why bother with an AV at all, if it's first virtue wasn't it's effectiveness? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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23 May 2011
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| | Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1 5,434 posts |
Just a tip Eset Smart Security with firewall etc is still more lighter than MSE.
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| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Built by me. OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 Memory 2X2GB DDR2 PC6400 800MHZ DUAL CHANNEL Graphics Card XFX RADEON HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 Sound Card 2/4/5.1/7.1-channel Realtek High Definition Monitor(s) Displays Samsung LE40A656F1 1080p 100Hz LCD HD TV 50,000:1 Screen Resolution 1366x768 in Desktop,1920x1080p in gaming and video Keyboard Wireless Logitech LX710 Mouse Logitech Wireless Gaming Mouse G700 PSU THERMALTAKE W0229 TOUGHPOWER XT 750W Case A-Case Twin Engine BB Cooling 3 x thermaltake smart case fan II + 1 arctic cooling fan Hard Drives C:\WD VelociRaptor 150 GB,10,000 RPM
E:\WESTERN DIGITAL WD15EADS 1.5TB CAVIAR GREEN SATA2 F:\WESTERN DIGITAL WD15EADS 1.5TB CAVIAR GREEN SATA2 Internet Speed ADSL 12000 plus Other Info Mouse Logitech G700,with 13 buttons who needs keyboard in RPG?
D:\Sony high speed sata Dvd Rewriter
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17 Jul 2011
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| | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi 5,149 posts Hafnarfjörður IS |
we should put this into perspective
1) who actually PERFORMS these tests and what EXACTLY is their relationship to the magazine / vendor / other "interested 3rd parties".
2) By the time the tests are actually performed THEY ARE ALREADY MASSIVELY OUT OF DATE -- MS releases almost daily security fixes for stuff it gets info about --I'm sure the others do the same.
3) On any one day you could get totally differring results depending on when the vendors database and software was updated.
4) I think anybody using computers seriously realizes that for NON work places the days of "PAID FOR" security are coming to an end so people who supply this type of stuff are jostling for market position -- by getting their stuff loaded on to private PC's eventaully they will hope to get into the corporate market --where for reasons I can't fathom Macafee still seems to have a monopoly. 5) Many many people have never had a virus inspite of installing NO security at all. OK these days that might not be a wise move but 99.99% of infections tend to be caused by USERS not taking the most elementary precautions on their systems --such as replying to "bogus email security questions" from Banks, giving away passwords, allowing youngsters (early and sub teens) to borrow their computers and download whatever from the internet, and pirating music / other stuff via torrents and warez sites.
Even now people still fall into elementary traps like "You've won xxxx, please pay yyy to release your winnings" whereas any sensible approach would be if you actually wanted to reply would be "Great news --please deduct yyyy from my winnings and forward me the rest".
so forget all this stuff over what package is better than the other -- at the bottom line they are all probably much the same -- I would tend to go for the one that uses the least resources and overhead which currently is MSE --and I'd trust the manufacturer at least to know its own OS and make adjustments rather than relying on some 3rd party vendor having to "reverse engineer" parts of the Windows kernel or just rely on published API's.
We should all remember that this is an ever changing scenario -- there can never be (until we start using Quantum Computers) a 100% secure computer or OS - just like an escape proof jail).
Using computers SENSIBLY is the best defence -- everything else is irrelevant.
This also means keeping Online transactions secure -- ensuring and checking your Bank transactions regularly, frequently change your passwords and if testing / downloading software from an unknown source try it out on a SANDBOX or VIRTUAL machine FIRST before loading it to your Working system.
Cheers
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